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Such passion but what a waste
Cresent goes to a Jewish run University who probably take his tuition fees and send it to Israel 
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Thanks for your ignorance and assumption.
Now if you can’t stay on topic and contribute accordingly, then you have no business derailing this thread.
What is Khilafat?
A caliphate (from the Arabic خلافة or khilāfah), is considered by many Muslims as the ideal Islamic form of government representing the political unity and leadership of the Muslim world.
If u wanna talk about Khilafat, feel free to open a thread on it, i’ll be sure to contribute. Lets not derail this one…
Thanks
G’Day to you!
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While I agree with the fact that zionists and jews are two different parties, there is no denying the fact that SOME (not every jew) do support the zionist movement, while not following the same ideology.
And this is coming from personal experience, as I go to a jewish run university.
Cresent, you are so passionate for the Palestinians and you also hate Israelis so much
Then why are you going to a Jewish Run University who without question take some of your tutition money and send it to Israel to fund research or whatever?
If you are so passionate about the Palestinians why don't transfer out of that University on moral grounds?
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And you call yourself educated?
Israel didn't even belong there, the whole world had the right to wipe this illegal occupation off the face of the earth.
The United Nations (i.e. the whole world) created Israel. Your eager, racist glee in justifying them to be wiped off the map couldn't be more wrong. So I'd be careful of accusing others of being uneducated.
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The United Nations (i.e. the whole world) created Israel. Your eager, racist glee in justifying them to be wiped off the map couldn't be more wrong. So I'd be careful of accusing others of being uneducated.
The problem with Cresent's thinking that is very 2 dimensional
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The United Nations (i.e. the whole world) created Israel. Your eager, racist glee in justifying them to be wiped off the map couldn't be more wrong. So I'd be careful of accusing others of being uneducated.
Peace Seminole
The United Nations does not have the right to create countires by removing countries to make them. That is an act of war on those countries that are being removed. If you feel they should sit back and let it happen just because UN say so, then you are mistaken.
In addition to this not all in fact only a few UN countries made this state of Israel and all of them were not giving up their own lands they were taking some third party land and creating that country ... so charitable isn't it?
If you want to read how the UN was formed I can start another thread on this topic. All the important conversations between Wilson, Clemenceau, Churchill and the ilk show there is much to be desired in the motives and processes involved in setting it up. It was called the League of Nations and I have a book right from the source, printed in 1943, I have the 1944 reprint called World in Trance by Leopold Schwarzschild. It is a copy that is signed by a previous owner of this book in 1947. A good read no doubt!
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Peace Seminole
The United Nations does not have the right to create countires by removing countries to make them. That is an act of war on those countries that are being removed. If you feel they should sit back and let it happen just because UN say so, then you are mistaken.
What propaganda history books did you read? There was no Palestinian country, on the Mandate of Palestine. Arab/Muslim Palestinians received the bulk of the land under this partition.
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In addition to this not all in fact only a few UN countries made this state of Israel and all of them were not giving up their own lands they were taking some third party land and creating that country ... so charitable isn't it?
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Again, there was no country to give up. There were 50 nations or so that voted on it. The Ottoman Empire lost and the treaty they signed said the territory was to be determined by the Principal Allied Powers. That means they lost rights to the land. Palestinians were lucky to get as much land as they did. Too bad they didn't accept it. They'd have a hell of a lot more than they do now.
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The problem with Cresent's thinking that is very 2 dimensional
Peace mercenary2k
I can't believe you can say that Crescent thinks 2 dimensionally when you know he attends a Jewish run university ??? What ... do you think a 2D thinker would think "Oh, yes, I'm going to study there at there Jewish Uni" or do you think a 2D thinker is going to distinguish between types of Jews?
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Have you seen his art?
... Nope if anyone is 2D I would place more on the accuser of planar thinking than the one being accused of it.
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What propaganda history books did you read? There was no Palestinian country, on the Mandate of Palestine. Arab/Muslim Palestinians received the bulk of the land under this partition.
Again, ther was no country to give up. There were 50 nations or so that voted on it. The Ottoman Empire lost. That means they lost rights to the land. Palestinians were lucky to get as much land as they did. Too bad they didn't accept it. They'd have a hell of a lot more than they do now.
Peace Seminole
Are you a zionist?
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Attention Seminole:
Peace again ...
Now what one needs to consider is the validity of the creation of the state it does not matter who signs on a paper unless the one signing it is the one affected.
Palestine was only not an "official" country because post first world war the intention was to collapse the Khilafah and post second world war the intention was to create Israel. It was the continuation of the Crusade and the Mandate for the land that "Palestinians" lived in was purposely left "without proper status" so it could be justified to sweep up the country to home Jews that were ethnic Russians. If any land should be made for them it should have been in this homelands of Poland, Germany and Russia.
When they came they displaced the Palestinian Muslims, the Palestinian Christians and the Palestinians Jews.
The Zionists flaunt the swastika as if it is their own symbol when only decades ago it was the emblem that was used to represent their enemies.
This is a religious problem not just a political one, because of the state of Israel represents secularism against the monotheistic faiths. We can go into details if you so wish you are not going to like the detail it is not in your favour.
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Attention Seminole:
Peace again ...
Now what one needs to consider is the validity of the creation of the state it does not matter who signs on a paper unless the one signing it is the one affected.
Representatives of the Ottoman Empire signed the Treaty of Sèvres which gave control of Jordan and modern day Israel to the British Mandate of Palestine.
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Palestine was only not an "official" country because post first world war...
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It was never an official country. Ever.
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When they came they displaced the Palestinian Muslims, the Palestinian Christians and the Palestinians Jews.
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False. They were displaced at the encouragment of Arab states when the Arab states started the war.
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This is a religious problem not just a political one, because of the state of Israel represents secularism against the monotheistic faiths. We can go into details if you so wish you are not going to like the detail it is not in your favour.
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Secular states are the future. Religious states are not. They are in the trash bins of history for a reason. I could go into more detail but it is not in your favor.
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Secular states are the future. Religious states are not. They are in the trash bins of history for a reason. I could go into more detail but it is not in your favor.
You seem to know the future.
But do you forget that history repeats itself, and when it does, it'll make secularism look like dirt. People of then would probably say the same about now and us. So lets not go down that route because it's not in our favor.
On that note, i'm not against secularism. But, there are bounds and limits which every society should abide by.
Zionism is a disease, and a cult which hijacked the symbols and values of the Jewish faith to make it seem like it's a cause for the people of the book. But it really is not. Menachem Begin was a zionist, and he was a terrorist who was the proven mastermind behind the King David Hotel bombing. The british labeled him Terrorist No. 1 because he was as they say "freedom flighter" for the establishment of the state of Israel. Later the zionist regime awards him for his good work of furthering their agenda by appointing him the Prime Minister of Israel. Not only that, he was awarded Noble Peace Prize.
If that's the merit for recognition, then Taliban are well on their way to being hailed as rulers and peace preachers so they too should get the Nobel Peace Prize.
Why the double standards? I don't even know Taliban or their agenda, but everyone should be measured on the same scale.
Lets be fair when we point fingers or criticize....
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Zionism is a disease, and a cult which hijacked the symbols and values of the Jewish faith to make it seem like it's a cause for the people of the book. But it really is not. Menachem Begin was a zionist, and he was a terrorist who was the proven mastermind behind the King David Hotel bombing. The british labeled him Terrorist No. 1 because he was as they say "freedom flighter" for the establishment of the state of Israel. Later the zionist regime awards him for his good work of furthering their agenda by appointing him the Prime Minister of Israel. Not only that, he was awarded Noble Peace Prize.
If that's the merit for recognition, then Taliban are well on their way to being hailed as rulers and peace preachers so they too should get the Nobel Peace Prize.
Why the double standards? I don't even know Taliban or their agenda, but everyone should be measured on the same scale.
Lets be fair when we point fingers or criticize....
You don't know the Taliban's agenda yet you know the shoe size of Menachem Begin. You know the details of a bombing 60 years ago but don't know what the Taliban did in the past 5 or 10? Talk about double standards. They also took a faith to make it seem like it's a cause for the people of the book.
The Taliban are the modern example of a religious state. I suggest you find out what they are about and their agenda before advocating another religious state.
Begin negotiated the first and only peace agreement with Arabs that has amounted to anything, agreeing on fully withdrawing from the Sinai. That's why he won the peace prize, not for his actions in the 1940's. Don't forget, the terrorist Arafat also won the Nobel prize.
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I understand your obessession with anything Islamic. And i can appreciate the fervor. Alhamdulillah.
But can you please leave Taliban out of it, and if you must, please open a separate thread for that. I will not ask you to quit derailing the thread again.
Thanks
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You don't know the Taliban's agenda yet you know the shoe size of Menachem Begin. You know the details of a bombing 60 years ago but don't know what the Taliban did in the past 5 or 10? Talk about double standards. They also took a faith to make it seem like it's a cause for the people of the book.
The Taliban are the modern example of a religious state. I suggest you find out what they are about and their agenda before advocating another religious state.
Begin negotiated the first and only peace agreement with Arabs that has amounted to anything, agreeing on fully withdrawing from the Sinai. That's why he won the peace prize, not for his actions in the 1940's. Don't forget, the terrorist Arafat also won the Nobel prize.
Ok sir, we agree. You know more about Islam then anyone else, and that you are very educated. Kudos to you! :)
Cresent, you are so passionate for the Palestinians and you also hate Israelis so much
Then why are you going to a Jewish Run University who without question take some of your tutition money and send it to Israel to fund research or whatever?
If you are so passionate about the Palestinians why don't transfer out of that University on moral grounds?
Just like your tax dollars? Just like everything else you give money for in the west?
This uni has by far the largest number of pro-palestinian rallies in toronto and with a huge population of zionists attending this university, we make sure they're dealt with great opposition. Ironically, they're outnumbered and usually hold all their rallies in secret. For they know what awaits them when they come out in public.
Similarily it will happen for the "state" of israel. They already had their asses kicked by hezb. So I wouldn't even call it the surival of the fittest, because the poorest of the poorest eradicted their invading army.
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Peace mercenary2k
I can't believe you can say that Crescent thinks 2 dimensionally when you know he attends a Jewish run university ??? What ... do you think a 2D thinker would think "Oh, yes, I'm going to study there at there Jewish Uni" or do you think a 2D thinker is going to distinguish between types of Jews?
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Have you seen his art?
... Nope if anyone is 2D I would place more on the accuser of planar thinking than the one being accused of it.
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Assalamalikum Psyah,
Appreciate it, however haters will always be haters. You can only do so much, but sometimes whats lost is lost.
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You don't know the Taliban's agenda yet you know the shoe size of Menachem Begin. You know the details of a bombing 60 years ago but don't know what the Taliban did in the past 5 or 10? Talk about double standards. They also took a faith to make it seem like it's a cause for the people of the book.
The Taliban are the modern example of a religious state. I suggest you find out what they are about and their agenda before advocating another religious state.
Begin negotiated the first and only peace agreement with Arabs that has amounted to anything, agreeing on fully withdrawing from the Sinai. That's why he won the peace prize, not for his actions in the 1940's. Don't forget, the terrorist Arafat also won the Nobel prize.
So do you support Zionism and the likes of Menecham Begin?
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But can you please leave Taliban out of it, and if you must, please open a separate thread for that. I will not ask you to quit derailing the thread again.
*You *brought up the Taliban. Then you said a religious state would make a secular state look like dirt. Perfect opening to let you know the Taliban is our most recent example of a religious state.
Just because every poster doesn't join in on your Zionism is an evil cult (or is it a disease?) hate fest doesn't mean that the thread is being derailed.
Ok sir, we agree. You know more about Islam then anyone else, and that you are very educated. Kudos to you! .
Is that what we say when we can't counter an argument? I obviously don't don't know more about Islam than anyone else. But neither does anyone else on this forum. Especially those who dont know what the Taliban or their agenda is. And on a Pakistani board no less. I will not, however, argue your very educated comment. :)
So do you support Zionism and the likes of Menecham Begin?
Support Begin? He's dead! I'm not into hero worship. Everyone wants to label someone a Zionist like it's a disease (oh, that's right, it is.) As if I follow blindly any movements actions, beliefs and government (oh that's right, it's a cult).
I support a 2 state solution with Jerusaleum under international control. Does that make me a Zionist?
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No sirr, thats what we say, when we agree with someone 
Good job! :k:
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Support Begin? He's dead! I'm not into hero worship. Everyone wants to label someone a Zionist like it's a disease (oh, that's right, it is.) As if I follow blindly any movements actions, beliefs and government (oh that's right, it's a cult).
I support a 2 state solution with Jerusaleum under international control. Does that make me a Zionist?
Did you not read my comment carefully? I said Do you support Zionism and the likes of Begin?
Surely they're not all dead. We have many right here on this forum.
And you don't have to agree with me. I'm not asking for praise. But you do blindly discredit a religion which you know nothing about. I can count a handful of people on here who (MashaAllah) know much more about Islam than you ever will.
I do pray that you achieve their level of knowledge.
And yes to me Zionism is a cult, and i'm not alone in believing that. Jews themselves believe Zionism has hijacked their identity. Surely, you're not a scholar on every religion so i wouldn't expect a logical response from you because it does hurt to see one's ego and pride being crushed by facts. And the fact is Zionists of Israel are backed by the Zionist lobby right here in Washington. Because nowhere in the world can you justify starving the children and women of basic needs such as water, and food. And Palestinians live that nightmare day in and day out. Heck, they've even had their only source of income the Olive trees uprooted by the settlers.
So much for a peaceful solution. You cannot deny the Zionists have the upper hand because they do get the latest in weapons, while defenders are left to throw stones. Hmmm kinda like Freedom fighters.
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Since Zionism is a cult or disease, I wouldn't know if I am a Zionist.
But if we can get beyond labels and concentrate on *views, *I said "I support a 2 state solution with Jerusaleum under International control." That means a Jewish state and a Palestinan state, side by side. That means a lot of giving from both sides. That means Israel is already there and I support its continued existence. That also means that there must be a separate Palestinian state that is totally independent from Israel. All people should be safe and secure. No killing from either side. No attacks. No destruction of property or killing of its leaders.