Zia’s decade of darkness

[niden]

@maverick_27

MQM is the result of sense of depreviation that existed in dat period in mohajir community. yeah it flourished in the era of late general zia .............. and he took benefit out of it as well coz he wanted to make weak ppp.

Again pack of lies and absolutely wrong. Can you prove what you are saying above. Muhajirs of Sindh were always much better of than their local Sindhi counter parts long before this mardood's arrival. They always hold key positions in the government and in private businesses. They were always better educated, wealthy and prospered than any community in Urban Sindh. ( I am born and educated in Karachi ask me).The reason Zia created mqm was not that muhajirs were depreviated community, he created that monster to take over urban Sindh to counter PPP and JI (before mqm JI dominated in Karachi). mqm has now trasnpired in to an evil cult organization with all sorts of criminal and terrorist acitivities. *mqm has always denied that Zia's had created it. *

Had Zia alive today same mqm whould have bambooed him good in his @rse. as they are now bambooing his hawaris (NS and Co). Pardon my French. :)

[Maverick_27]

Again pack of lies and absolutely wrong. Can you prove what you are saying above. Muhajirs of Sindh were always much better of than their local Sindhi counter parts long before this mardood's arrival. They always hold key positions in the government and in private businesses. They were always better educated, wealthy and prospered than any community in Urban Sindh. ( I am born and educated in Karachi ask me).The reason Zia created mqm was not that muhajirs were depreviated community, he created that monster to take over urban Sindh to counter PPP and JI (before mqm JI dominated in Karachi). mqm has now trasnpired in to an evil cult organization with all sorts of criminal and terrorist acitivities. *mqm has always denied that Zia's had created it. *

Had Zia alive today same mqm whould have bambooed him good in his @rse. as they are now bambooing his hawaris (NS and Co). Pardon my French. :)

u r rite to great extent as far as private sector is concerned........

But as far as public sector is concerned u must be aware of this fact that sindh is only province where quota is divided on the rural and urban basis. It was a clever move made by the zab. Resulting in more chances to get vacancies for sindhis in the govt job. As majority of sindhis lives in rural areas.

Still in medical colleges & engineering colleges, if u have rural domicile u have better chances to get admission. The same in the case for CSS and PCS. Further if we go back in to the history after nationalization u know most of the major institution were govt owned like banks, insurance companies , cement, steel scetor, education on the other hand private scetor was very weak.

as u have admitted that urdu speaking are more educated so thought developed among them that they need to have political representation in the assemblies that can represent them effectively and can secure their employments especially in the public sector.

And i think thier thinking was partly justified............ and no one can’t deny MQM political existence which is very dominant in the urban sindh. If u pointing out the budmasshi they do ......... it’s a fact but now they have made lot of improvement as well. nawaz and BB govt made operation against it but it is still strong and urdu speaking still support them.

Zial ul Haq marhoom played an instrumental role in this regard. Coz he saw an opportunity to make PPP weak in the sindh, like every clever politician does.

What ppp did to make itself popular in the urdu speaking community. When BB died in the ensuing riots in rural sindh, most of the town sindhi ppl destroyed the properties of mahajirs and punjabis.......

i dont want to quote the name of the town where 5 shops were looted and then were set to fire when BB died. 3 were of urdu speaking and rest of the two were punjabis.

MPA from the very town who holds key ministry in sindh govt is indulge in making transfer of non sindhis teacher to far off town away from their home. Just to put them in discomfort. (He has asked the education department to make the list of all non sindhi working in education department in that district and based on this list he is making transfer).

Recently they are going to dissolve the local bodies without announcing a date for the next election. nobody from the urdu speaking community is happy from this move. And I think they are justified in it. I mean why govt is not announcing the date of election..

so the point is mere blaming zia for MQM is not wise. U need to see what other parties have done to win the hearts of urdu speaking community. I think the attitude of hatred from ppp leader ship towards mohajir make mqm even more stronger.
I hope u have visited liyari the only major town that supports PPP. Nabeel Gabol elected from liyari lives in DHA and rarely bother to visit liyari . u must be aware of the miserable plight of ppl of liyari and the crime ratio over there.

So I wud suggest that don’t blame zia who have died 22 years ago , for the follies and negligence of the current politicians.

What happened to PML Q brain child of Musharraf ………. Yesterday it formally divided in to two factions. And u know better know whats PML Q current standing. Only creating a party does not mean it will survive and remain popular for years….. there are other factors do exist that ensure it longevity.

I hope I have made myself clear.

by the way i wud appreciate if u avoid french for a dead person ...................... lols

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@mverick_27

sindh is only province where quota is divided on the rural and urban basis.

Now you are going on tangent. This has nothing to do with thread. Lots of material and threads are available where quota system has been audited thoroughly. Go google it. muhajir and other communities living in rural Sindh are also beneficiary of the system. Do not play here your dirty game of prejudism.

Zia created mqm to counter JI and PPP in urbans Sindh there was not other purpose at all. After his departure mqm was again divided in to two factions. Why? Are you here to spread hetred and prejudism? I think you look some other thread where you can vent you hatred against Sindhis.

Zia was biggest thug in the history of Pakistan, When he tried to betray his Allah on earth, was smoked in mid air. Get this in your prejudice mind.:)

[Anwer_Pasha]

Re: Zia’s decade of darkness

Do you remember what Altaf was doing in 85 in USA

He was driving a taxi

[niden]

@maverick_27

But as far as public sector is concerned u must be aware of this fact that sindh is only province where quota is divided on the rural and urban basis. It was a clever move made by the zab. Resulting in more chances to get vacancies for sindhis in the govt job. As majority of sindhis lives in rural areas.

Still in medical colleges & engineering colleges, if u have rural domicile u have better chances to get admission. The same in the case for CSS and PCS. Further if we go back in to the history after nationalization u know most of the major institution were govt owned like banks, insurance companies , cement, steel scetor, education on the other hand private scetor was very weak.

as u have admitted that urdu speaking are more educated so thought developed among them that they need to have political representation in the assemblies that can represent them effectively and can secure their employments especially in the public sector.

And i think thier thinking was partly justified............ and no one can’t deny MQM political existence which is very dominant in the urban sindh. If u pointing out the budmasshi they do ......... it’s a fact but now they have made lot of improvement as well. nawaz and BB govt made operation against it but it is still strong and urdu speaking still support them.

Zial ul Haq marhoom played an instrumental role in this regard. Coz he saw an opportunity to make PPP weak in the sindh, like every clever politician does.

This is all rubbish. In continuation of my reply to your post, let me ask you a question. When did quota system was introduced after one Unit? Definitely it was before Zab's government. The system got re-approved in NA during first PPP regime. Zia extended it, followed by successive rulers. mqm was created by this mardood in 1986 since then it is one way or another way ruling Sindh. If mqm was so deprived due to quota system, why Zia extended it?mqm should have then protested and started gharo jalao type of politics which they are very much capable of. More than two decades of mqm rule in province and in centre and quota system is stll there because it is based on giving some relief to poor and deprived educational opportunities to rural sindhis. This will continue till some sort of equality is estabilished betwee rural and urban educational system. Why this issue has created pain in your @$$? Unless you are high class racist and prujudice person.Pardon my french.:)

[mo293]

Isn't gen. Jia also the father of MQM?

[CheGuvera]

Mard-e-momin mard-e-haq
Ziaul Haq Ziaul Haq...

Ziaul Haq for all it's faults will go straight to heaven for relieving the masses of the absolute tyranny and megalomania of the only true dictator to have ruled in modern south asia, the insidious, opportunistic, conniving, and incompetent Bhutto...

[Croquet]

Re: Zia’s decade of darkness

ayub,yahaya ,zia and musharraf.

yahya was the worst of all in my opinion, appears like no brainer in his case.
then i am going to rate musharraf on scale of stupidity and damage done in his tenure.

now weighing up zia and ayub, lets see. i think with the support for MQM zia takes the lead BUT then again ayub had to two specific problem one his son(corrupt at most levels) second his bloody kala bagh. So tough for me to rate them both fiarly on disaster scale. they give each other a good chase.

By the way too much emotion in this thread with people being dispatched to hell and heaven with far more authority than a saint could muster up. phew

[niden]

@Croquet

By the way too much emotion in this thread with people being dispatched to hell and heaven with far more authority than a saint could muster up. phew

Zia was worst of all four dictators. Why, he destroyed institutions, raped constitution of Pakistan. he hanged elected PM introduced all kinds of evils in Pakis society. He should be still burning in hell. Look at present condition of country. If democracy had continued, Zab continued to live his normal life, this dismal situation left by that mardood sob would have never happened in the first place. Pakistan would have prosper country.

In this lot Yahya was better person had he used his normal brain (always drunk) and solved the crisis of 1971, though left by his predecessors. Instead of military action against his own people and opening western front by bombarding Indian towns, he should have asked first Mujib to form the government.There could have been formula developed where two winners could have formed the coalition government.

Yahya Khan was hero while fighting in Chumb sector in 1965 war and awarded medal for his gallant performance.

[Maverick_27]

@niden

Now you are going on tangent. This has nothing to do with thread. Lots of material and threads are available where quota system has been audited thoroughly. Go google it. muhajir and other communities living in rural Sindh are also beneficiary of the system. Do not play here your dirty game of prejudism.

Zia created mqm to counter JI and PPP in urbans Sindh there was not other purpose at all. After his departure mqm was again divided in to two factions. Why? Are you here to spread hetred and prejudism? I think you look some other thread where you can vent you hatred against Sindhis.

Zia was biggest thug in the history of Pakistan, When he tried to betray his Allah on earth, was smoked in mid air. Get this in your prejudice mind.:)

i think u r getting too emotional ............. newayz u cant change realities.

but u know how much non sindhi's get benefit from rural quota. it .......... i know. i think beneficiary of rural quota from non sindhis wud be 5 or 7 % . and no more.

i m neither sindhi nor mohajir. but i have been living in karachi for 2 decades i also got chances to visit interior sindh both urban and rural. and i have mentioned what i have observed based on my interaction wid sindhi's and non sindhi's .

i m nor promoting hatred here. hatred among urdu speaking and sindhis already exists. both MQM and PPP should try to reconcile their real differences.

by the way avoid personal attacks ............ as i dont enjoy it.

[Croquet]

@niden

Zia was worst of all four dictators. Why, he destroyed institutions, raped constitution of Pakistan. he hanged elected PM introduced all kinds of evils in Pakis society. He should be still burning in hell. Look at present condition of country. If democracy had continued, Zab continued to live his normal life, this dismal situation left by that mardood sob would have never happened in the first place. Pakistan would have prosper country.

In this lot Yahya was better person had he used his normal brain (always drunk) and solved the crisis of 1971, though left by his predecessors. Instead of military action against his own people and opening western front by bombarding Indian towns, he should have asked first Mujib to form the government.There could have been formula developed where two winners could have formed the coalition government.

Yahya Khan was hero while fighting in Chumb sector in 1965 war and awarded medal for his gallant performance.

yep yep too much emotion.

[system]

Primitive punishments including amputation of limbs, public lashings and stoning to death were promulgated.

What the hell is this?

Aside from what Zia was, punishments prescribed in the Holy Quran are primitive? So what makes punishing a criminal through giving lethal injections ok????

I am amazed at how writer a in Pakistani newspapers such as Dawn can speak with such disrespect about something that has its roots in the Holy Quran.

Just shows the hatred towards Islam.

[niden]

erudition,

take it easy. Zia used Islam to punish PPP and opponents. He was never a fair person. He used relegion to legalise his illegal actions and threw dirt in the eyes of people, showing them how he was that parsa-the biggest liar and cunning ruler in the history of Pakistan.

[system]

erudition,

take it easy. Zia used Islam to punish PPP and opponents. He was never a fair person. He used relegion to legalise his illegal actions and threw dirt in the eyes of people, showing them how he was that parsa-the biggest liar and cunning ruler in the history of Pakistan.

Why are you shying away from what I said? I am not talking about Zia. I am talking about disrespect for Islamic principles!

[junaid001]

darkest period in history where soul of pakistan was raped and still we would need 10 more years to cleanse its impacts.

[niden]

@erudition

Why are you shying away from what I said? I am not talking about Zia. I am talking about disrespect for Islamic principles!

Let me quote the words of marhoom Ishaq Khan the ex-president of Pakistan, who once said on these primitive pumishments that if these laws were actually implementd, all 150 millions of Pakis would lose their limbs and a vast majority of people including women would be stoned to death. Is that what you want for your fellow pakis?:)

[Naabigh]

Re: Zia’s decade of darkness

Zulmat ko Zia , SaRsar ko saba , Banday ko Khuda kia likna :)

[system]

Let me quote the words of marhoom Ishaq Khan the ex-president of Pakistan, who once said on these primitive pumishments that if these laws were actually implementd, all 150 millions of Pakis would lose their limbs and a vast majority of people including women would be stoned to death. Is that what you want for your fellow pakis?:)

One is not following them is a separate thing....Yes Pakistan does not follow them even though it claims to be a fort of Islam, but criticizing them just because one does have the will and the understanding to implement them properly is another thing.

We all want peace in Pakistan and the world. The Holy Quran provides solutions to our problems and Quran itself says that there is life in Qisas.

Neither Zia, Musharraf nor Ishaq khan is our role model.

[Spock]

Zulmat ko Zia , SaRsar ko saba , Banday ko Khuda kia likna :)

Jalib was brilliant, and whats ironic is the fact that his poetry of defiance was even more defiant when the most recent tabla general musharraf wreaked havoc in the country with his incompetency and lust for power.

[system]

^ Just wait and see these people jump up and down when you say anything negative about Musharraf the traitor.

Only because he was secular and his role model Ataturk, and loved singing , dancing and all that associated with it ("enlightened moderation"), so he was ok....

Zia another dictator was the worst because he had Islamic leanings. Atleast he did not do anything like NRO..like Musharraf the great did and thew Pakistan in an abyss.