Jalib was brilliant, and whats ironic is the fact that his poetry of defiance was even more defiant when the most recent tabla general musharraf wreaked havoc in the country with his incompetency and lust for power.
hmm not fully agreed but still gud analysis.......
Re: Zia’s decade of darkness
Darkest period of Pakistan was in 1971, where Pakistan almost got crushed by India. And that had nothing to do with Zia...pop quiz: who did that have a LOT to do with?
Re: Zia’s decade of darkness
Zia also gifted the nation with the terrorist thugs known as the MQM, and the montsers got out of their cages and weakened Pakistan, with their flag burning jello eating chief calling Pakistan the biggest blunder in the history of mankind.
I have googled and found one website which shows how this mardood jahamumi created moster of mqm.
Again wrong. Zia used relegion to extend his tyrant and illegal rule. Though I hate any dictator as a ruler of the country, Mush was much much better than Zia.
Again wrong. Zia used relegion to extend his tyrant and illegal rule. Though I hate any dictator as a ruler of the country, Mush was much much better than Zia.
u r rite. mushharaf was not a dictator. he was elected by the majority of the pakistanis. i think he got more than 90% votes in refrendam held quite enuf to endorse the legitamcy of his rule............ lols
and every one know that refrandum was genuine unlike the one held in late genral Zial ul Haq's regime................
come on yar dictators use the same tactics to ensure the logevity of thier regime.......... musharraf and zia were same in this respect.
Please read my post again. I said I hate dictators to rule any country. I have written a lot aganist Mush how he destroyed the country in his 9 years rule. His worst action was issuing NRO. But for comparison sake between the two evils, Mush was much much better than mardood Zia the destroyer of institutions, killer of Bhutto, the elected PM of Pakistan, creater of jehadis, drugs, mqm, ak 47 culture and snatching the future of Pakistani future generations. Is that difficult to understand this?
I hope you read some of the more interesting articles by Wilson John as well.
How can you believe this writer? When he mentions wrong years in his article. He seems to be ill-informed.
Alright this writer is not credible for argument sake but in 1980s when AH was brought from America by Zia and AH organized mamoth rallies in Karachi based on ethinic divide. At that time I was posted at Sukkur Sindh. Zia mardood came to Karachi during one of these rallies and said, "look at me I am also a muhajir so support me". Have you remembered this? He was on TV saying this nonsense.
It is most unfortunate that Paki historians are bikao mall they always praised the dictators and criminals like AH. We never got the true history of any major events in Pakistan. All kinds of lies and nonsense are being taught in the schools under history of Pakistan to new generation, they would never know what actually happened in past so that mistakes should not be repeated in furture.
Zia mardood came to Karachi during one of these rallies and said, "look at me I am also a muhajir so support me". Have you remembered this? He was on TV saying this nonsense.
Thats true.
Zia also gifted the nation with the terrorist thugs known as the MQM, and the montsers got out of their cages and weakened Pakistan, with their flag burning jello eating chief calling Pakistan the biggest blunder in the history of mankind.
Contrary to popular belief and a widely paddled myth...MQM's genesis was in the inability of PPP/secular parties to penetrate urban sindh's voting base and the sunni-shia riots of early eighties...MQM has a lot more in common with PPP then any of the right leaning parties patronized by Zia and MQM's modus ope***** subsequent to their creation and to the detremint of Zia's interests is a reason enough to once and for all quash the myth that it was created by Zia....
PPP always struggled to get votes in urban sindh and for Zia to fix something that was not broken didn't make any sense...
MQM's prennial support for PPP, except for one instance in the late nineties where it sided with PML, reinforces the notion that it was created at the behest of left, socilist, secularist, as well shia dominated elements within pakistan to accomplish a dual-objective...capture the urban sindh vote previously dominated by religious parties, such as JI, Ahle-sunnat-wa-jamat, and Noorani Mian's Jiamat-e-Ulema-e-Pakistan and also to payback the sunni-urdu speaking populace that were at the forefront of anti-shia riots which broke out in Karachi following the killing of Bushra Zaidi, a Sir Syed College student with Shia mobs going out of control....I still remember the kunjrray-kasai types of our lallookhait chaar number neighborhood going around armed with knives and burning shia houses, unbeknownst to them that a only a few years later they'd be recruited by and doing the dirty work of an ethnic/terrorist party dominated at the top by the same shias whose houses they were burning at the time...
So, let's just drop this myth that Zia had anything to do with MQM...if anyting it was created as a result of being secondary/auxillary recipient of funds being injected by RAW into elements of PPP/AlZulfiaqar that were working in overdrive to over throw Zia's regime...
MQM and PPP's history post 1977 Zia take over goes hand in hand and MQM's latest shenanigans are a furthur proof of this....
No it is not a myth. Zia-ul-Haq the person who was responsible for its creation. Read follwoing news article. Before it creation JI dominated Karachi.
**Former Pakistani army chief General (retd) Mirza Aslam Beg has said that late dictator Zia-ul-Haq was responsible for the formation of the Muttahida Quami Movement (MQM). **
**In an interview to the Voice of America, General Beg, who was the vice-chief of the army staff in General Zia’s military administration, said, “It was Zia who had founded the Muttahida Quami Movement.” **
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/FF03Df04.html
At this time in the 1980s, the honeymoon between the Jamaat-i-Islami and military ruler General Zia ul-Haq was over, and they developed differences on several national political issues. The sector commander of the ISI (now retired and still living in Karachi) persuaded Altaf Hussain to return to Karachi and take on the Jamaat-i-Islami. Altaf held big rallies and spoke against Punjabis and Pashtuns living in Karachi. In 1986, a bus driver who happened to be a Pashtun killed a college girl who was a member of a family that had migrated from India. The incident was immediately turned into a riot. The MQM was by now close to many bigwigs in the underworld - it still is - and they had several Pashtuns killed. Pashtuns retaliated in kind, and more.
Re: Zia’s decade of darkness
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Again a wrong year quoted. Reliability become doubtful!!! The road accident actually happened in April 1985.
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Article was written by some Syed Salim Shazad, I don't know how reliable he is? Anyway the incident really happened, quoting of wrong year or typo does not matter.
What the hell is this?
Aside from what Zia was, punishments prescribed in the Holy Quran are primitive? So what makes punishing a criminal through giving lethal injections ok????
I am amazed at how writer a in Pakistani newspapers such as Dawn can speak with such disrespect about something that has its roots in the Holy Quran.
Just shows the hatred towards Islam.
Islamic punishments by this police
Have you seen anyone working according to Sunnah
POlice of non-muslim countries is much better than these criminals.
Do you have a friend here in police
Pass just a day with him
You will be agree to nidden
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I still remember a gang rapee victim went to lodge FIR with police. Police asked her if she had any witness. She said no and police arrested her in Zina case under malown's hudood ordinance with the punishment of stone to death.
And who can forget the case of Nawabpur (lower Punjab) where poor ladies were stripped of their clothes and ran through the town naked followed by land lord and his kuttay to de humanize women. The fault of women was that their husbands were claiming share in the land. None was arrested in that henious crime.
When Bengali actress Shabnam was gang raped in her house infront of her husband, Zia instead of arresting under hudood ordinance those busstard sons of high army officials , he deported her and her husband Robin Gosh to Bengladesh.
There are many such tragic stories.
And he called himself as Amirul-Mominin care taker of Islam.
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I still remember a gang rapee victim went to lodge FIR with police. Police asked her if she had any witness. She said no and police arrested her in Zina case under malown's hudood ordinance with the punishment of stone to death.
And who can forget the case of Nawabpur (lower Punjab) where poor ladies were stripped of their clothes and ran through the town naked followed by land lord and his kuttay to de humanize women. The fault of women was that their husbands were claiming share in the land. None was arrested in that henious crime.
When Bengali actress Shabnam was gang raped in her house infront of her husband, Zia instead of arresting under hudood ordinance those busstard sons of high army officials , he deported her and her husband Robin Gosh to Bengladesh.
There are many such tragic stories.
And he called himself as Amirul-Mominin care taker of Islam.
niden come on
u r trying to blame zia for every thing. These sort of things happened in every era and even still happening in this "democratic" regime as well.
i m not justifying it that it was gud. But this is not a distinctive feature of zia regime. i m sorry to say inspite of ur efforts u cud not present any conclusive and specifically relating to zia regime problems that cud prove that his era was darkest, (its my personal opinion).
I can u give u details of thousand of such cases, as u quoted above. After and before the era of zia ul haq (marhoom) . however to discuss his regime on such micro level wud be futile.
Take the example of Karachi the crime level and mugging we are facing today here, was not like that in the zia period. Unemployment level and shortage of electricity and food inflation, situation were much better than in his period provided u analyse it comparatively with the econic situation of the region.
Beside the problem arose in his period basically emanate from USSR war. Now don’t say zia invited Russia to invade Afghanistan. if someone that 2nd biggest superpower is invading ur neighbour country and u don’t feel the heat then he must be living in fool paradise.
Beside u off and on "praises" zia with strong word who has died 22 years ago, and such kind of abusive language for a dead man is neither allowed in our religion nor acceptable in our culture.
think about it coz u will be answerable for ur deeds/misdeeds and not of zia ul haq, in the life hereafter.
Yes I agree with you but the height of crime was not severe before his rule. And generally people were caught and jailed. In his era none was ever arrested and punished in above serious criminal cases. Why?
Beside the problem arose in his period basically emanate from USSR war. Now don’t say zia invited Russia to invade Afghanistan. if someone that 2nd biggest superpower is invading ur neighbour country and u don’t feel the heat then must be living in fool paradise.
Again Agreed. But then this situation was created by him by creating a cult organization to counter PPP and JI in urban Sindh. As regard economic situation, you may be right but that was ad hoc arrangement for supporting unlce Sam by creating jehadi organization to fight American war. After his departure, Pakistan is still suffering from wounds of jehadi terrorism. He should not have directly involved in this venture at all. That was 2nd big blunder he committed. The first one was hanging elected PM of Pakistan.
What Pakistan is suffering now from the menace of terror from Jehadis and cult organization, made the lives of common man miserable. Every time people die, mostly the root cause you will find link to his policies.
This is applicable to every living and dead person including Zia and yourself.
Maverick_27
Read the whole story of Nawabpur incident. Had this incident happened in real Amirul Mominin time Hazrat Umar (since we are here talking about Zia’s Islamization of laws in the country)do you think those culprits would have spared so easily? Hazrat Umar punished his son 100 stripes on committing adultry, he died in fifty stripes, Khalifa-e-waqt ordered to continue 50 stripes on his dead body to complete the punishment in this world.
The tormenting memory of Nawabpur
By Omar R. Quraishi
DAWN - Opinion; 12 October, 2004
The Supreme Court was right in calling it the most heinous crime seen by Pakistanis in this century. This century yes, but what was the most heinous crime the country witnessed during the previous century, specifically when General Ziaul Haq was in power, a time when the country was exposed to a veritable ocean of arms and drugs and when infamous laws like the Hudood and the Qisas and Diyat ordinances were enacted, perhaps a crime against Pakistan itself. But if one were to single out an incident and call it the equivalent of the Meerwala tragedy, it would have to be the horrific events that took place in Nawabpur, not far from Meerwala, 20 years ago.
Two women and a nine-year-old girl, were paraded naked on March 31, 1984, through the small galis of Nawabpur, a small, sleepy town some 10 kilometres from Multan.
The women’s brother-in-law, Akbar, was a local carpenter, who had earned a name for himself by becoming skilled at his craft. The man, according to one account which appeared three weeks after the incident in this newspaper’s weekly magazine, was that he had been having affairs with women from the town’s leading feudal Sheikhana clan.
As such things are “settled” in a feudal/tribal context, several dozen men of the clan made their way to Akbar’s house, severely beat him up and then did the same to his two sisters-in-law and nine-year-old sister.
Apparently, not content with their bestiality, they then proceeded to drag the two women and girl to the streets, naked. According to the report, “Talking to two dead women” (April 20, 1984) by Zafar Samdani: "A group of about 40-50 revenge-drunk men had entered their (the women’s house), beat up their brother-in-law Mohammad Akbar to a pulp, stripped them naked by tearing their clothes … and then herded them towards the main street, waving their arms, pistols, iron-mounted lathis and other weapons victoriously…
When the women tried to hide their bodies with their hands, they (the men) prodded them with sticks or just hit them. When they tried to hide their faces, they pulled their hair so that they raised their faces."
Beaten beyond recognition, Akbar died six days later from his injuries. Talking to the writer of the article, the chief of the Sheikhana clan at that time and chairman of the union council of Nawabpur, Malik Mohammad Baksh, said that the action of the men (he called them “boys”) from his clan was understandable given Akbar’s shenanigans because of which they were “terribly angry”.
He also said that though they were “terribly angry,” reports of their “misdeed had been grossly exaggerated”. One can only be astonished by the audacity of this man who probably saw it fit to deny or justify the parading of women naked at gunpoint, because one of their relatives allegedly had an affair or affairs with female relatives of the men who came to take revenge.
A military court heard the case and after the incident an amendment (through the Criminal Law Amendment Ordinance 1984 - Section 354 A) was inserted in the Pakistan Penal Code.
It increased the maximum sentence from two years in jail to capital punishment for anyone who forced a woman to strip naked in public. Despite that, the men tried in the Nawabpur case were not given capital punishment or even life sentence.
In fact, two months later they were all released on bail. Akbar’s shattered and broken family left the village fearing that the released men might return and persecute them.