Zardari, Nawaz agree to impeach Musharraf

With that our economy and people will continue to suffer, investors will not return, no focus on lawlessness or Taliban threat.

If Nawaz is still "popular", Benazir was about to be elected, Zardari is back in business, I think you are wrong, we are talking about Pakistani politics here.

I don't think considering "NRO" as 'zaleel' would make anyone as "crook".

Care to back that up with reputable polls/surveys?

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Zardari is just playing cat-n-mouse game with Nawaz Shirif, he is not going to impeach Musharraf unless they struck some deal that NRO will not be repealed and judiciary will be reinstated only to be "honored" and then retired (or something like that).

There ARE many (not most) Pakistanis who believe Musharraf was best, some we can count Saleem, Aalsi, Reza Pehlavi, some of army generals, some beauracrats etc.

Would you have preferred a military coup in India if one democratic govt was "farce"? or would you have preferred to stay democratic and wait till next election cycle and kick out the "farce" politicians?

Your 'knowledge' of Pakistan is very skewed.

Stick to South India

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Here are my thoughts...

  1. Musharaf is not acting like a President anyway. By all accounts his party is PML-Q, and even they pile on the government all the time. So its not clear if Musharaf is part of government or not. If he is not part of the solution, then he is part of the problem.

  2. Gilani government is in a constant state of paralysis. Nothing is getting done (mostly due to their own incompetence) and part of the blame is the lingering judges issues. Now, lets add another issue by starting the impeachment drama, which will keep our awaam mesmerized for a few more weeks. End result: a government thats not doing anything for common man.

  3. There are rumors that all four provincial assemblies will pass non-binding resolutions asking Musharaf to step down. That will be the ultimate insult. Likely it won't make Mushy leave either.

  4. Govt is in power for four months. Its a short time to put a report card in, but don't be surprised if morons in the Presidency decide to use 58-2-B. If an idiot can impose emergency on flimsy grounds and shut down television channels, you can bet he can do more stupid things.

  5. My gut feeling is that Musharaf himself wants to go (his sticking on is sheer embarassment), but he is not let go by the powers-that-be (US, Army, whatever). I assume Gilani's recent trip to US was to ask US' permission to let Musharaf go. Not sure if he got it.

  6. No question, Zardari is very luke-warm about opening yet another front, but Sharif has nothing to lose. PML-N's best bet is to keep control of Punjab, create more crisis, have the government dismissed and then win in the re-election. But PML-N wants a few more months of sustained paralysis to get it done. Right now, is too soon.

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Unfortunately it seems that Musharraf will use 58-2(b).
You heard it here first. He isn't going anywhere.
The govt. will fall.
From crisis to crisis. Question is will the country survive.
I doubt it.

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ISLAMABAD: The ongoing talks between Pakistan Muslim League-N and Pakistan People’s Party have resumed after hitting a snag earlier today.

The negotiations between PPP Co-chairman and PML-N Chief Nawaz Sharif came to a standstill after reports regarding release of a notification for re-appointment of deposed judges.

Nawaz Sharif said he would not return to engage in talks unless notification restoring deposed judges of Sindh High Court is withdrawn.

Asif Ali Zardari had to say that the government had already faced embarrassment after it withdrew notification regarding ISI. Therefore, notification for re-employment of judges will not be cancelled, he added.

According to PML-N sources, their party has refused to accept this justification of PPP.

In the meantime, Asif Zardari talked to Nawaz Sharif on phone and convinced him to come back for further talks.

Sources say, the PML-N is still firm on its stance and want the notification regarding judges’ re-employment withdrawn.

Nawaz-Zardari talks back on track after stalemate

sorry its unfortunate, but none of this matters.
Musharraf will dismiss the Parliament and continue his reign of terror

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If Zardari agrees to impeach president,
does this mean CJ Sajjad is not getting his job back???
:)

HELL YEAH.
bcoz if Nawaz can get what he wants, without CJ's help, why not hug the real boss of pakistan (that is zardari) and leave CJ in the cold (zardari does not like CJ)

Hahaha. I bet people have forgotten what Nawaz Sharif did to CJ Sajjad. :hehe:

Way to cover up for Robert’s blunder by bringing in CJ Sajjad now. Atleast NS was an elected PM, who got rid of one CJ by confronting him, with 2/3rd majority in parliament. What did that retarded old senile dictator, whose constitutional track record puts him as the worst and most hated dictator in the world do to get rid of a CJ that he himself appointed… Impose a martial law again!

hahaha. Spock bhaijan. Angoor khatay lag rahai aap ko kia. :hehe:

When will the current democratically elected government restore the EX CJ if what Great President Musharaf did was illegal. :smiley:

They can only do that, if they get rid of the unconstitutional, self imposed president, and reverse the nov 07 illegal steps he took to save his kursi.

Hahaha. Spock bhaijan. Please remember that the elected PM Nawaz Sharif used his 2/3 majority in Parliament to oust CJ Sajjad or did he use some other means, if so were they constitutional. DO you remember what they were :hehe:

If you are saying that the EX CJ Iftikhar Chaudhry (thanks for reminding me his name, I had forgotten) can only be restored if Great resident Miusharaf is ousted, then what is stopping Great Zardari and ‘new’ Nawaz Sharif ousting him. :smiley:

Great Aalsi bhaijan great to note that due to illegal nature of this retard oops I mean retired army general you have stopped reffering him as the president…I hope your new principled stance continues…may be after his impeachment he will join his other partner the mentally disturbed Altaf Hussain in London to become the** resident **of the great city of London where they can find some great facilities for mentally disturbed people… and from where they can use telecommunication technology to give their great sermons together to some mentally disturbed people in our country…and thus he can continue giving some great sevices to our nation…:smiley:

http://thenews.jang.com.pk/updates.asp?id=51370

Draft of president’s impeachment finalized
Updated at: 1250 PST, Thursday, August 07, 2008
ISLAMABAD: The ruling coalition’s four-member Draft Committee has completed the draft regarding impeachment of President pervez Musharraf at the chamber of Leader of the House in Senate.

The committee comprises of Ishaq Dar, Ahsan Iaqbal, Sherry Rehman, Farooq H. Naek and Raza Rabbani.

Ishaq Dar has left for Punjab House to discuss the draft with Mian Nawaz Sharif. The joint statement would be issued to media at 3pm in Zardari House today.

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Musharraf faces impeachment | World news | guardian.co.uk

Musharraf faces impeachment

Pakistan’s ruling coalition today agreed “in principle” to begin impeachment proceedings against the country’s president, Pervez Musharraf.

The decision to prosecute Musharraf came after late-night discussions between Nawaz Sharif, leader of the Pakistan Muslim League-N, and Asif Zadari, husband of the late Benazir Bhutto and leader of the Pakistan People’s party.

This morning, a senior coalition official emerged from the talks and told Reuters: “Yes, we have agreed in principle to impeach him.”

An official announcement from the coalition’s leaders is expected later today.

The news puts an end to weeks of speculation over Musharraf’s future, and comes as he is due to fly to China for the opening of the Olympic games.

Musharraf, a close ally of the Bush administration, woke up to banner headlines in the Pakistani press suggesting he would be impeached. In apparent panic he cancelled his flight, but after being closeted with advisers for several hours announced he would go to China after all, a day later than planned.

Impeachment proceedings would plunge Pakistan into a fresh crisis, as Musharraf, who until recently was head of the military and is thought to still enjoy its support, has repeatedly said he will not allow himself to be forced from office. The stock market slumped to its lowest level in two years on today’s news.

Elections in February brought to power Musharraf’s opponents but he has clung on to the presidency, which he seized in a 1999 coup.

The coalition has threatened impeachment before. This time the threat appears more serious, thought the government may opt against such an incendiary move and instead try to pressure Musharraf to stand down voluntarily.

Musharraf is close to the Bush administration because of help he has provided since 9/11 in the “war on terror”. The White House, torn between wanting to see a strongman in place in the fragile country and promoting democracy, has praised him for giving up his post as head of the military and helping with the shift towards civilian rule.

The main US preoccupation in the region is the failure of Pakistan to clamp down on Taliban and al-Qaida forces that regularly cross from its territory into Afghanistan to mount attacks.

The US last month complained that “rotten” elements in the Pakistan intelligence service were aiding the Taliban. While the new civilian government tried to comply with US demands by bringing the intelligence service under its remit, the military, with the support of Musharraf, blocked the move.

Hasan-Askari Rizvi, a political analyst based in Lahore, suggested US support for Musharraf has cooled. “They won’t be too perturbed now if he is knocked out by constitutional means. The Americans see that unless this issue is dealt with, government won’t be able to function.”

Musharraf’s advisers let it be known he is prepared to “use his constitutional powers” to stop impeachment. Under powers he gave himself, Musharraf can dismiss the parliament - which should, in theory, be followed by fresh elections.

Ahsan Iqbal, a senior member of Sharif’s party, said Musharraf “might make such a commando attack on parliament. But we will meet it. Let this be the final round, let there be a final victory for democracy.”

The coalition may have the numbers required for impeachment but it is tight. It would need a two-thirds majority in a joint sitting of both houses of parliament. The upper house, the senate, still has Musharraf supporters making up half its numbers. In the lower house, the coalition easily prevails.