Zardari and Kayani: Two divergent personalities

Bob Woodward could not have said it better. Like CJ Iftikhar, Kayani is standing up for national interests and is one of the few people who seem to care about the country unlike power hungry goons like Zardari and Nawaz who know zero about governance & delivery

The latest book by journalist Bob Woodward remarkably paints Pakistan Army Chief General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani and President Asif Ali Zardari as two divergent personalities, one a brave and strong nerved soldier who was standing up against every key US demand and the other a spoilt politician who knows nothing about governance.
The book is credible because it quotes top US officials and what they think about these two important personalities of Pakistan and repeatedly recalls and emphasizes on the political weakness of President Zardari.

It is not Woodward who has given these descriptions but he quotes written letters, memos and diplomats, none of which has so far been denied. What has happened to Nato supplies is also a clear indicator.

These descriptions include one by outgoing US Ambassador in Islamabad Anne Patterson. On Page 136 Woodward recalls a meeting between recently retired National Security Adviser of President Obama Jim Jones and Ms Patterson in Islamabad.
He writes: “A small, forthright woman, she gave a candid private assessment of the situation. “I worry that all of this is just going to blow up. Zardari doesn’t know anything about governing. He will never get out from being Mr Benazir Bhutto, but he’s basically on our side.”

Jones met next afternoon with President Zardari, and I (Woodward) joined them for the last 15 minutes. “Zardari sat between two photographs of his late wife —- one of her campaigning, the other a pensive close-up. His black hair was pomaded to his scalp and his suit had the smart cut of an expensive tailor. He beamed with a wide smile that appeared whenever I asked troubling questions. Zardari acknowledged the influence of the Taliban in Pakistan and said, “It is a thin line to walk with the Taliban. We must walk in small steps.”

On relations with India, he took pride in what he deemed a significant liberalising moment. “I’ve allowed Indian movies for the first time.”

Woodward then gives the assessment of what the Americans thought about Zardari. On Page 137 he writes: “Afterward, Jones and his staff debated whether they should worry more about Pakistan or Afghanistan. Several members of his staff said the chief problem was Pakistan — Zardari’s political vulnerability, the continuing dominance of the country’s military-intelligence complex, its nuclear weapons, the persistent presence of al-Qaeda training camps in the ungoverned regions, and the possibility of a misstep with the CIA drone attacks that could dramatically shift the political calculus.”

In another revealing account of what the US officials think about Pakistan under Zardari, Woodward writes on Page 208: Later, that day at 3.30 PM, Obama gathered his team for a three-hour review and discussion of Pakistan.

“Lavoy began by summarizing the intelligence picture. Pakistan suffered from the enduring we’re-with-you, we’re-not-with-you schizophrenia, the continuing dominance of the military-intelligence complex, and President Zardari’s political weakness.
“The consensus inside the intelligence community was that Afghanistan would not get straightened out until there was a stable relationship between Pakistan and India. A more mature and less combustible relationship between the two long time adversaries was more important than building Afghanistan, Lavoy said.

Lavoy revisited the Bush years. “We had engaged Musharraf as though he was Pakistan, which he was.” But with Musharraf out of office and living in London, the US still had not done enough to build relations with other political entities. Deep Pakistani mistrust of American intentions persisted.”

“Mullen pointed out that the robust military-to-military programmes with Pakistan had grown to nearly $2 billion a year for training, equipment and other enterprises. Relations were getting better. The admiral was spending a lot of time with General Kayani, improving trust between the countries.”
Woodward also reveals that a three-page trip report signed by Jim Jones was given to President Obama. “It contained a pessimistic summary, noting first the gap between the civilian and military authority in Pakistan.”

“The US was getting nowhere fast with these guys, talking with Zardari, who could deliver nothing. On the other hand, Kayani had the power to deliver, but he refused to do much. Nobody could tell him otherwise. The bottom line was depressing: This had been a charade. Jones said he was once again alarmed that success in Afghanistan was tied to what the Pakistanis would or would not do. The White House was almost right back to where it had started with Pakistan in 2009.”

http://thepakistaninewspaper.com/news_detail.php?id=18043

Re: Zardari and Kayani: Two divergent personalities

Now who can match Zardari's personality? Do we want a dakoo army chief or chief justice?

Re: Zardari and Kayani: Two divergent personalities

Zar-dari -

  • noun Zar ~ persian / urdu = Gold Dari ~ persian = you

Zardari = Man of Gold

Kayani -

  • noun Kay - urdu = many ani - urdu - old coins of subcontinent = anay ~ small coins

Kayani = A lot of Coins (anay)

Then tell me how Kayani = Zardari

:D

Re: Zardari and Kayani: Two divergent personalities

in these depressing times at least there are a few ppl out there looking after our interests...

Re: Zardari and Kayani: Two divergent personalities

Actually Zardari = zard ari
zard = yellow
ari = saw

:chai:

Re: Zardari and Kayani: Two divergent personalities

Kon hay jis nay may naheen chakhi
Kon jhooti qasam uthata hay
Mekaday so jo bach nikalta hay
Teri Aankhon main doob jata hay
کون ہے جس نے مے نہیں چکھی
کون جھوٹی قسم اٹھاتا ہے
میکدے سے جو بچ نکلتا ہے
تیری آنکھوں میں ڈوب جاتا ہے

Bholay Badshaho
You all are very intelligent,learned, aware and conscious.
Most of you having good knowledge and know networking.
But you are not aware of depth of corruption here.

Ab to yahan awam bhi corrupt hain-
اب تو یھاں عوام بھی کرپٹ ہیں

I thought you should be comparing some qualification or back ground of these two.

Re: Zardari and Kayani: Two divergent personalities

Kindly ask him to compare Ubama with army chief General Gen. George W. Casey Jr. of USA, if is gadhay main thorhi bhi aqal hay. What a load of crape that a Pakistani General is being compared with a Politician. Sirf Pakistan main he gadhay nahin rahtay har jaga paai jaatay hai. "ek chorh hazaar miltay hain"

He should have compared Kyani with Mush, Zia, Yahya and Ayub Khan. Compare Zardari with BB, NS, Ah, etc. Lagta yeh sharaab pekay bakwaas likhtay hain aor phir yeh bakwas GS ki zeenat banti hay:D

Re: Zardari and Kayani: Two divergent personalities

gila karein to kiss say karein Faraz
woh bewafa sahi magar intikhab to mera tha

Re: Zardari and Kayani: Two divergent personalities

I think that is more a sad reflection of our time that Pak politicians are seen as utterly nalaiq and incompetent. Politicians are not that chor or corrupt in western democracies. Besides the US President does not take dictation from his military chief. So there is no reason for Bob to compare a US politician with a US general

Re: Zardari and Kayani: Two divergent personalities

Sir Jee.
Why only politicians ?
Talk about Establishment, Bureaucracy,Judiciary,Media and others too
Aik pheri wala tarbooz bechtay hooay awaz lagata tha.
*Jera kapee da ay oee lal ay
*

جیہڑا کپی دا اے او ای لال اے
(It will be red ,which ever you cut)
magar maza to Punjabi wali bat ka hay

Re: Zardari and Kayani: Two divergent personalities

BS...Kayani is just as much culpable as Zardari...drone attacks happen with his complicity...about the only thing Kayani hasn't done for his CIA paymasters is sending his the 7th infantry corp aka "Golden Arrows" over the border into Afghanistan to attack Talibans in their strongholds of eastern afghanistan...

Kayani is as much an american stooge as was his predecessor, Mush, the fact that the latter hand picked the former to succeed him was no stroke of merit...

Re: Zardari and Kayani: Two divergent personalities

I try
Education Equal
Family background
Zardari is much better.
Political Experience
Interesting
One started as spouse of Shaheed Benazir Bhutto.
Other started as military secretory of Shaheed Benazir Bhutto
Zardari was alone son of his rich parents
( Man nay lad piar main bigar dia)
Kiani Sahib ka patah naheen
Anyone can add

Re: Zardari and Kayani: Two divergent personalities

^ How is their educational background equal

Zardari claims to have 'graduated' from a college in London which apparently did not exist. We do not know what he did after his stint at Cadet College Pitaro

Kayani has a masters in War Studies (military ka admi aakhir apni field mein hee graduation karey ga...right!) and is a graduate of the United States Army Command and General Staff College, Fort Leavenworth, Kansas

btw I am not advocating military rule here. I am just sick and tired of the current corrupt, dishonest and incompetent political lot, all of them. They know nothing about good governance...period

Party-based democracy just cannot work in a corrupt and chor society like Pakistan's IMO. I prefer a US-style presidential democracy where technocrats (not politicians) form the bulk of the federal cabinet

Re: Zardari and Kayani: Two divergent personalities

So you saw good governess by Ayoub, Yahya,Zia and Mush
Intermediate group
Started their good ...from killing of Liaqat Ali Khan.

Re: Zardari and Kayani: Two divergent personalities

So you think Ayub Khan, Yahya Khan and Mush were laiq. Ayub Khan the father founder of corruption, Yahya Khan, the breaker of Pakistan, Mush has many medals on his shoulders, right from corruption to Kargill debacle, Bugti's murder, involved in carnage of 12 may 2007 in Karachi, NRO the opening of pendoras box etc. They seem laiq to you. Sometimes I wonder aqal barhi ke bhains:D

Don't get the wrong idea that I am fan of Zardari, but things should be seen in proper perspective. What ever levels of politician in Pakistan, should be compared with their counter parts and vice versa. Ask Bob Wood that he should also compare Indian and British PMs with their army chiefs. Why he is singling out Pakistan for this stupid and absurd comparison?

Re: Zardari and Kayani: Two divergent personalities

here is the proven formula of pakistani politics.

1) for the first 3 months - any government and leader is wonderful
2) for the next 3 years - they are corrupt rascals
3) for the next 30 years - they are the ones that are behind ongoing misery

Re: Zardari and Kayani: Two divergent personalities

Zardari = ghaddar
Kayani = Mard

Re: Zardari and Kayani: Two divergent personalities

Where does it say that criticizing politicians = supporting military rule. I said the current lot which includes PPP, PML-N, PML-Q, MQM, Ji, JUI etc. I have no hope from them because quite frankly they seem incapable of providing good governance. History has proven that statement time and again. Military take over is not the answer but neither is a corrupt & incompetent government in the garb of democracy.

The following article in the dawn is worth reading
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/news/pakistan/04-zardari-nro-supremecourt-qs-01

Re: Zardari and Kayani: Two divergent personalities

As personalities of Pakistan only a fool would compare Zardari to Kiyani.

Zardari nailed his coffin himself when during the floods he went on a personal trip to France and then England. On top of that he is meeting a PM who just got done embarrassing Pakistan.

What is the difference between jamhoori gov't and mush gov't?

This jamhoor gov't doesn't care what parliament says, they don't care for obeying laws.

Past 2 years they have spent stealing at a unprecedented way. Babar Haiwan accused of corruption. Lets make him a minister. Rehman Malik convicted? Lets pardon him. Attorgey General giving us sincere advice, let fire 3 of them. NAB needs to open cases against Zardari? Lets put them under Haiwan and appoint our own loyalist to lead.

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You can say what ever you like to say about president Asif Ali Zardari but just tell me how you checked the other?
There was also a** Munfiq** ruling us some years ago.
He was twice Mard in his favorite slogan.
There is an Indian song not 1oo% fit because Zardari has not taken PPP workers in confidence any time. And not fit to lead PPP but the others are too …