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and brother desi ostrich there are loads of hadith search engines, one would www.islamicity.com try to search ur reference there :slight_smile:

ps. colourful eyes i realized just now aswell lolz

Timepass / Uncle Ehsan's Baithak - August 2012
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go and learn yourself before you engage in any discussion aap jaisay log jo keh hipocrites ney pakistan ko tabhi kat kinary khara ker dia

we are not living in pakistan and have freedom of speech in these countries and if you dont like it go back to from where you came from and try to preach terrorism there. there many you could find choudhryie s khans aapp kay hum khial

Timepass / Uncle Ehsan's Baithak - August 2012
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see you tomorrow with references because i have other things to do

allah aap per rahim karay

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lol neither m a molvi, nor m a terrorist, m just a student of islam for past few years alhumdulilah.

and coming to freedom of speech there is an old saying "ur freedom ends where my nose starts". and freedom of speech doesn mean u start talking about islam watever u feel like.

now i dont wana divert from point, u said that prophet (saw) said syeds are better than others, so m really looking forward the hadith with these words which does indeed contradict to Quran :)

m waiting :)

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Ameen, i really need His rahim

and tommorow i will be waiting for the references

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CE doesnt like mods!

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Ahlel Bayt Articles Hadith al-Thaqalayn: The Two Weighty Things [A Sunni Perspective]
Ahlel Bayt Articles Hadith al-Thaqalayn: The Two Weighty Things [A Sunni Perspective]
it is a sunni perspective, since i am sunni
it has hadith on the topic that you desire.

there is also a book recommended on the topic if you are interested
Abdul Muhsin Al-Abbad writes about the virtue of Ahl-Bayt and their high status with Ahl-Sunnati wa Al-Jamaah.
The World’s Provider of Arabic Books

both are sunni perspectives.

this is online read

http://us2.fmanager.net/api_v1/productDetail.php?dev-t=EDCRFV&objectId=4336

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getting back to the topic, the zaat or lineage concept here is a good read
MS09.4 - Protection of Lineage bitesize islam

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^^ i really appreciate ur hardwork brother, tho i would have really appreciated if this stuff would have come from desi ostrich :) not cuz i wana argue with just cuz i dont like ppl who try to attach stuff to islam that does not even exist as he said "prophet (saw) himself said that sayyids are better than others".

ayite now coming to the point, the first 2 links posted by u are same so i assume it was just a mistake, and all the content in the link i already know as a student of Islam Alhumdulilah and if u read the whole article it inclines more towards my point instead of desi ostriches :). its an answer to Shias that sayyids are not that important as they think, the whole article focuses on proving that :).
and that sahih hadith states that dont misbehave with my family after i m dead, thats it, i think i dont wana say anything cuz i dont want ppl to hate me here but thats wat the article says in embolden words. and it means prophet wanted his family safe from all kind of shar after his demise, as any person would like, if i m dieing i would also tell my friends to take care of my family so that nobody harms em or misbehave with em, thats wat prophet did )

second link is a list of books about sayyids i believe m not sure, but i would spend the same amount of time reading Quran (the primary source of hidaya) instead of reading those books as they are gona focus on this hadith aswell which this article very beautifully explained.

and the third article is more of a family tree of Muhammad (saw) and explains how they travelled from one place to another and how respected they are around the world, thats it, that article is just talking about the respect, which i give to every single muslim and specially to those who are more mutaki regardless they are syed or no. and it doesn tells not even on a single occassion that prophet (saw) said sayids are better than others :)

i would like u to read the first article again and understand wat it tires to say and u will find it supports my point. Prophet (saw) loved his family and He just wanted it to be away from all the troubles but unfortunatly that never happened, Qarbala is infront of u, Ina lilahi wa ina ilaihi rajioon.

anyways, i again appreciate ur gesture and effort.

May Allah guide all of us ameen

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hmm if you take into account my posts i am not saying that sayyids exempted from the bounds of shariah rather that lineage is not insignificant. being syed is not sufficient but neither is it insignificant, it is thing to be cherished and honoured for only a good muslim can value the bond with Prophet s.a.w? my posts on the topic were that the concept of zaat is not evil nor jahlat, it is a matter of ancestory and i think every body values their ancestory. it becomes a problem if people start using their pedigree to form supremacy? fair?

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Well we have to remember that they won't be around forever. Kinda harsh it sounds, I know. If we can't change others, atleast we can change ourselves. Nothing else really matters. We do what is best or so it seems to us. Period!

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*Once upon a time in 1860, an era where separatist thoughts were rare and fighting to overthrow was the primary objective, and arrives at a village on the outskirts of Baluchistan. He brought along some cavalry and foot soldiers to keep things calm in the heat of events going around. His arrival was grand even for city standards and for poor villagers, it was grand.iose. He steps out of his carriage and inquires about a person, he knows as, "Rab Nawaz". *

A bare foot farmer appears from the crowd. The British officer *grins and asks one of the cavalry men to get off the horse. The horse is then passed on to "Rab Nawaz" and he is informed that he can ride the horse in any direction for as far as he wants, but he has to be back before sun down. He is also given flags to mark the boundaries of his quest. Two cavalry guards are advised to follow him on his quest. Seeing the urgency of time and knowing the importance of land, he sets off while the foot soldiers struggles to put on a tent for the *British officer *. *Meanwhile the villagers are left contemplating on the fate of "Rab Nawaz".**

*Time drags on and just before sunset, "Rab Nawaz" appears at a mile distant along with the guards. As the news of his arrival is made known to the *British officer, he comes of his tent with a deed. The two guards detail the flagged locations and shortly after the deed is devised, inorder to transfer the land ownership to "Rab Nawaz". The land was a write-off for services provided by "Rab Nawaz" to suppress the 1857 War of Independence. And as part of a write-off, "Rab Nawaz" had to make a payment on the land, whatsoever he can afford. Being a farmer, he didn’t have any money or savings to dig into. So he starts asking people in the crowd to loan him money but turns out no one wants to help a traitor. He asks the British officer for an extension and sets out to the next village looking for a loan. **

For the next few days, "Rab Nawaz" travels to 5 villages for a loan but his reputation precedes him. Finally, on the seventh day, he manages to borrow some money and rushes back to his village. He presents the British officer *with the amount he had gathered. The sum is counted and the *British officer is completely appalled and in aw yells "TWO ANA", which translates into "TWO CENT". "Rab Nawaz" not being literate, saw it as a moment of pride and took on "TWO ANA" as his last name, spelling it as "tawana". He later became the chef of his clan and became an active figure in politics.

Just one historical lesson of how surnames are formed. BTW, "tawanas" are still active in Pakistani polictics and have spread all over in Pakistan. :)

Our history is not posted on the internet, where most of us look for. Our history is buried deep in the archives, where people of those eras thought we will find them. **Unfortunately, they didn't know about computer, internet or google back then otherwise, I'm quite sure they would have made their writings search engine friendly. If you are on a hunt to know more about your name, combing archieves is your answer.**

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^:wave: Where have u been all this while?

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Lolz i know of a family who lives in london are chaudhary and that uncle jee thinks hes big & all that...lol i hope hes not ur dad:D

Legacy of Mard e Momin Zia ul Haq
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I am Khan......

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noway, my dad is shareef and modest, my brothers think tht though lol....

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than its probably ur brother who looks like an uncle!:Dlolz

By 2025 30% of the population will be muslim
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^noway! :D

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u sure?:D

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btw i have jus checkd ur profile u look a bit like auntie jee lol no offence or anything.... i thought u were a bit younger..... how old r u?