Re: Zaat
if people of higher caste really had better values they wouldnt be here belittling others of lower castes and whatnot 
OK Folks............MUTS ARE US..........:biggthumb
We are taking Over the World.........
it is proof positive for all to see that mixed race is the best Human Race..:biggthumb
Re: Zaat
^ I agree 100% :D
Re: Zaat
syed is the only zaat i am aware of. have heard other names, their is rajput
I cant stand this whole zaat discussion that takes place in so called upper societies. I think its pure jihalat! What on earth does zaat have to do with anything???
Unless my zaat people start paying my bills for me, I am not required to take zaat into consideration. Simple.
A few years ago, this guy I knew liked me. He liked me so much he told his parents without asking me or mine. Long story short, they came over and had dinner at my house. Both dads were talking and HIS father asked my dad "aap logon ki zaat kya hai?". Bear in mind, my dad is Sheikh Siddiqui and my mom is Syed so to a certain extent these guys are a little proud too. BUT its not relevant in such a situation so my dad got PO'd at his father. He told him straight up "bhai hum zaat paat mein believe nahin karte hein, hum family, talim aur larka ka character dekhte hein. Uski zaat valon ne aake meri beti se shaadi thordi karni hai". I was so proud of my dad at that moment, even though I really liked the guy. That is NOT the type of family I want to marry into at all. This is a sign of REgression not PROgression.
I think its ridiculous because in the end, my Syed-ness or Sheikh-ness wont make me a better person nor will someone else's Chaudhry-ness make them a more able partner/daughter/mother/sister. It doesnt work like that. These are man made qualifications we insist on and all they do is create an even bigger divide amongst Muslims. A Muslim needs to be a SUNNI, HANAFI, FROM KARACHI - PK AND BELONG TO A SHEIKH/SYED FAMILY??? What? Nowhere in the Quran has Allah mentioned this.
I hate to say this but Muslims have absolutely NO UNITY. Ye nahin to vo, vo nahin to ye...kisi na kisi baat pe behes karte rehte hein.
i disagree, while i think it is every one's private business who they wed. i am a syed and i wanted as a girl to marry a syed so that my children enjoy the same heritage as me. religiously it is a gift so why not be thankful for what you have? although every one is free to do what they please, i know many a tiffs in my extended family over the fact that somebody married into non syeds, i strongly feel every one has the right to make that decision for themselves. however i wouldnt quite say it is all crap, being syed to me is something of a blessing and i cant thank Allah enough for granting that blessing on my child as well.
i disagree, while i think it is every one's private business who they wed. i am a syed and i wanted as a girl to marry a syed so that my children enjoy the same heritage as me. religiously it is a gift so why not be thankful for what you have? although every one is free to do what they please, i know many a tiffs in my extended family over the fact that somebody married into non syeds, i strongly feel every one has the right to make that decision for themselves. however i wouldnt quite say it is all crap, being syed to me is something of a blessing and i cant thank Allah enough for granting that blessing on my child as well.
Croquet, please do not take this personally but I would like to know how being Syed is a blessing? How will it make a difference in the upbringing of your children versus a Sheikh's children? Do Syed's have a special way that Allah swt has granted them into Jannah?
Being Syed, Sheikh, Chaudhry, etc are not blessings...these are man-made divisions WE have created to further divide the Ummat. The Prophet (pbuh) never mentions his descendants as having an advantage over anyone else so how is that a blessing??? (My mother is Syed).
With all due respect, I would like to know how being Syed is a blessing.
Croquet, please do not take this personally but I would like to know how being Syed is a blessing? How will it make a difference in the upbringing of your children versus a Sheikh's children? Do Syed's have a special way that Allah swt has granted them into Jannah?
Being Syed, Sheikh, Chaudhry, etc are not blessings...these are man-made divisions WE have created to further divide the Ummat. The Prophet (pbuh) never mentions his descendants as having an advantage over anyone else so how is that a blessing??? (My mother is Syed).
With all due respect, I would like to know how being Syed is a blessing.
I wana know that too.
how being syed is a blessing?
OK Folks............MUTS ARE US..........:biggthumb
We are taking Over the World.........
it is proof positive for all to see that mixed race is the best Human Race..:biggthumb
yes true i believe tht one day everyone will all be a nice chocolate colour....:)
yes true i believe tht one day everyone will all be a nice chocolate colour....:)
LOL nice chocholate milk colour
ive seen a chinese black girl lol can u believe that.
i know a couple, guy black and girl asian (chinese) and there is daughter who is so pretty and adorable, black with curly hair but looks chinese haha.
how many do you know?
qureshi malik bhetii khan ghumen pirzada chaudhury sheikh
where did all these originate? & how much of their histories, kids know today?
is this chaudhary same as chacha chaudhary?
Re: Zaat
hmmm.....kia hamay zaaat paaat pe yaqeen kerna chahyeh?....just wondering.......
sumtimes chat patti baatein es pe kee ja saktee hein....but do V need to have cast system?
Croquet, please do not take this personally but I would like to know how being Syed is a blessing? How will it make a difference in the upbringing of your children versus a Sheikh's children? Do Syed's have a special way that Allah swt has granted them into Jannah?
Being Syed, Sheikh, Chaudhry, etc are not blessings...these are man-made divisions WE have created to further divide the Ummat. The Prophet (pbuh) never mentions his descendants as having an advantage over anyone else so how is that a blessing??? (My mother is Syed).
With all due respect, I would like to know how being Syed is a blessing.
i am not taking any offence on your take. although my take is different on the matter. being syed is not going to make any difference if the person chooses to leave the way of islam however if one sticks to that way than being syed is an added bonus. i am going to dig some hadith out on the topic to give you an idea where i am coming from. however in short term i am very grateful to be from the family that links back to the Prophet pbuh, how is that not a blessing? i mean we always say our parents and children are blessings so why not having such pious people in your pedigree not a blessing? after every namaz you read a dua in which you ask for favours for your children and your parents specifically , having had so many noble people making a dua for me is something i cherish. the concept of nasab was given credit in islam as well. if you read religious books it still has importance.
here love is a link that might give you an idea.
getting to the topic i just think lineage is not to be rubbished although it is important not to depend upon it. there is a reason why the progeny is added in darood.
LOL nice chocholate milk colour ive seen a chinese black girl lol can u believe that.
i know a couple, guy black and girl asian (chinese) and there is daughter who is so pretty and adorable, black with curly hair but looks chinese haha.
cute...:) i think mixed raced children are always sooo beautiful(but my lil niece is the most cutest of them all:D)
Re: Zaat
^^ she is a cute chocolate milk aswell??
Zaat Paat is stupid and outdated.
In this day and age it should just be a surname, a word, and nothing more, just a word.
Who cares where anyones forefathers came from or what they did? It's what we are today that matters!
Besides Zaat is not even an accurate portrayal of your background because it's only traced through your paternal lineage.
We don't just have one lineage to trace, we all have 4 grandparents, 8 great-grandparents, 16 great-grandparents, 32 great-great grandparents, 64 great-great-great grandparents... if you're not some weird inbred the result of incest... So we're all such a mixture genetically anyway, especially people from Punjab and Pashtunkhwa.
I think we shouldn't even use surnames, under Sadam Hussayn, surnames were banned because of inequality issues, in our Pakistani society too they are a status symbol and should be banned.
In Pashtun areas every tribe (zaat) hates another even if they're the same status, same in Punjab, Jatts and Rajputs hate each other so we should just let go of these things and move on with the rest of the world.
We're living in a global village and should adopt positive things from civilised socities like the West who don't care for such silliness and everyone is equal like they are in Islam.
Just for the records I'm not saying all this because I'm some "low caste" (I don't believe in that world myself but some Pakis still do), I come from a so-called noble landlord tribe but I'm against Zaat/Tribe system because I believe in equality, ignorant Jaahil people still look down on people who are working class (Potters, Barbers etc.) even if they don't follow that profession anymore and are now educated doctors or lawyers.
There's not just that, in my area tribes of the same status hate each other like in pre-Islamic Jaahil Arabia.
If one person from my tribe has a fight with somebody from another tribe, they make it the whole damn tribes issues...
I've been called a traitor by the boys of my tribe because I sided with my maternal cousin (aunty's son) from another tribe against a boy from my tribe. Obviously I'm going to support my blood relative over somebody who's that far related I don't even know where our family tree's meet. I don't care if we have the same stupid label or not.
Some people from my paternal tribe have recently had feuds with my maternal tribe, we're not even closely related to those directly involved but some guys, especially young ones are trying to make it one tribe vs. another tribe issue.
You can be with guys from your own tribe and someone will say something nasty about your maternal tribe or your cousin's tribe and you get pissed off, you have to choose between "fitting in and belonging" or sticking up.
That's my main and personal reason for hating tribes/zaat, you have to be torn between loyalty to your own "label" and your blood relatives you love.
Just be plain simple Punjabi, Pashtun, Pakistani, Muslim.
Tribe/Zaat should be made illegal.
Croquet, please do not take this personally but I would like to know how being Syed is a blessing? How will it make a difference in the upbringing of your children versus a Sheikh's children? Do Syed's have a special way that Allah swt has granted them into Jannah?
Being Syed, Sheikh, Chaudhry, etc are not blessings...these are man-made divisions WE have created to further divide the Ummat. The Prophet (pbuh) never mentions his descendants as having an advantage over anyone else so how is that a blessing??? (My mother is Syed).
With all due respect, I would like to know how being Syed is a blessing.
Yeah.
The Prophet PBUH himself married women from all backgrounds. He married Hebrews, Arabs etc...
When the early generation of Islamic Preachers went to foreign lands they married amongst the local converts.
My mothers tribe also claim descent from the Prophet PBUH but my father's side do not.
We're not Jews or Hindus... All are equal in Islam.
Liturgy, worship methodology... The same for all Muslims.
The Prophet PBUH's decsendents do not have automatic tickets into Paradise.
Muslims believe in Al-Qur’an Al-Kareem, not in “Bahishti Zewar”.
I don’t care what some Indian Mullah influenced by his Hindu background and surroundings wrote in his “Heavenly Ornaments”.
I use to think Deobandis were a little more sensible than other South Asian sects but they also have their silly Fatwas.
I use to rely a lot on Mr Desai’s Fatwas but his website has had so much contradicting material.
The Prophet :saw: married Mother Juwayriyah :razi2: the Hebrew who was an ex-Jew.
Bilal the Abyssinian :razi: married an Arab lady.
The Prophet :saw: himself married his cousiness from his Qureshi tribe to a freed slave from outside, the marriage didn’t work out but the fact that the Prophet :saw: married them in the first place shows it’s perfectly allowed.
There’s lots of other examples from the Prophet’s PBUT, Sahaabah and Ahle-Bait (MABPWT).
B4 writing that fatwah the respected imam focused to much on the islamic books instead of Quran 
he ignored all the verses of Quran about marriage
and he also forgot that hazrat Bilal al habashi (ra) was married to one of the most respected women of Ansaars :).
and brother i would also suggest u to read Quran instead of reading the fatwas.
if any guy is a good man and practising muslim there shouldnt be any problem for a syed girl to marry him and please dont disagree just read the quran, the primary source of information.
Re: Zaat
I think language can be the only barrier but we can learn other languages can't we. I can speak 5 languages anyway. All Muslims should learn Arabic as a common language anyway.
Seriously language is the only real cultural difference, the world is a global village, we all have the same culture anyway now. How many Pakis listen to Raag? It's all rock like in USA or Britian (bad example but it's all I can think of), none of the young generation in Paki cities wears shalwar kameez anymore (another example), we'd rather eat turkish donor or american burgers or italian pizza instead of roti saalan....
Muslims living in the West are American or British now, not likely that they'll ever go back to Malaysia, Dubai, Turkey, Indonesia or Pakistan anymore, so there's English as a common language if Muslims of these background inter-marry.