yvonne Ridley's views on suicide bombings and al-Qaeda

[Sara516]

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Peace Sister Sara516

There is no joke on this thread ... there is only reflexive reasoning ... shining the mirror back ... the remarks that you refer to were in response to this statement ...

"Crescent is a documentted Taliban supporter, and we all know the Taliban's role in terrorism...i.e. they're one of its leaders."

Is this fair sister? Is this not a personal attack? It was the best way he or I could have responded ... most people would curse but notice he did not.

My response was to the comments PCG and Mercenary were making.

[Mostar95]

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Sister Yvonne seems to have been over inspired by taleban's hypocratic hospitality. She should visit the Karachi and meet the girls(poor factory workers) who were sexaully harrssed by these taleban supporters in Karachi's EPZA zone on the evening of Decemeber 27, 2007.

[PyariCgudia]

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Let me know when you decide to grow up and can carry a constructive conversation with some substance to it, rather than sound silly and make baseless assumptions of others that you think are true. Your way is not the only true way. You can just as well be wrong.

I asked you to prove and backup what you say, which is the norm when you're accusing someone. Yet you resort to petty talk and personal attacks. How highly of you.

Thank you for proving me right.

I think I offered you a pretty logical explanation. Again, do you think more than 1% of the world are Taleban/extremist sympathizers? If so, be clear on that, and why would you think so? Its quite a disturbing situation if that were to be true.

[PyariCgudia]

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Psyah says: "Her main stab is that even though someone is doing something wrong, what is his intention? "

Really Psyah? So, then if I intend to pray by saying a silent prayer at night, but I don't do the ACTION of reading namaz 5x a day...can I go to heaven?

Oh, no wait, all rules of Islam as we understand them are either suspended or somehow altered overnight so that the cause of these gundas posing as saviors of our society (great saving, I see a whole lot of muslims dying with these suicide bombings being set off in Pakistan) can be legitimized?

Islam isn't something you mold to whatever fits your needs. The rules for warfare are very clear, and these jerks are breaking those rules. It should NOT take a rocket scientist to see that if they're commissioning suicide bombers to take out muslims in Pakistan, then they're OBVIOUSLY not very good at being muslims...

[PyariCgudia]

Re: yvonne Ridley praises suicide bombings and al-Qaeda

Sister Yvonne seems to have been over inspired by taleban's hypocratic hospitality. She should visit the Karachi and meet the girls(poor factory workers) who were sexaully harrssed by these taleban supporters in Karachi's EPZA zone on the evening of Decemeber 27, 2007.

I'd be interested in seeing more info on this.

[PyariCgudia]

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Salam All,

I dont mind, ive dealt with it in the past, May Allah guide us all. I think i've made my points in this thread clear...

Its times like these when I remember the famous incident of our beloved Rasool saw.

He was standing, warning people in the markets of Makkah, yelling at the top of his lungs. 99% were against him, he alone that 1% was standing there conveying the message. Non stop.

Behind him.. was his uncle. Bashing him, yelling over him that "this man here is a traitor, a liar, and will bring harm to our society, do not listen to him!" (This is watered down version, but the arabic version has alot of direct nastiness to it.) In essence, he was calling him a terrorist.

but our beloved Prophet pbuh kept going, kept conveying, people threw rocks, he kept going, people spat him, he kept going, people brought him to his knees, but he kept going.

"If you dont stand up for the truth, then you are in the wrong religion, because this religion is all about standing up for the truth! And if you dont, then you are a coward. The greatest Shaheed is he, who stands up with the truth, in the face of injustice." -Sh. Hamza Yusuf

So you think you're like the Prophet. What arrogance. I don't think the Prophet would have approved at all of what these terrorist groups are doing.

[Crescent]

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So you think you're like the Prophet. What arrogance. I don't think the Prophet would have approved at all of what these terrorist groups are doing.

Oh JazakAllah, if you didn't know, as Muslim, you have to be LIKE the Prophet pbuh. Wow everyone knows that!

The prophet pbuh wouldn't have been so blind, and would've condemned the people who change his religion first.

[PyariCgudia]

Re: yvonne Ridley praises suicide bombings and al-Qaeda

Oh honey, you can try. No one is stopping you. But don't assume that you're in the same position he was - no no, that would be arrogance. Because then you're assuming that you're past the point of "trying" to become like him; and that you've achieved that successfully. You're basically saying to the entire world that you think the Prophet would do what you're doing:

excuse suicide bombings
excuse terrorism as an approach to solving muslims' problems
excuse the killing of innocent muslims
excuse the near poisoning of a procession of shia muslims
excuse a myriad of assasinations
excuse taking over another nation and ruling it with brute force
and excuse bringing down the flag of a muslim nation to put up your own personal flag.

I ... don't ... think ... so

[Crescent]

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Salam,

PCG sometimes I think, "Hmm, maybe I can have a proper civil discussion with her".

But you always seem to prove me wrong.
Perhaps one day, we can talk on plane where you wouldn't spin things around :) and would say something meaningful to reply to. Till then, so long.

Wsalam

[Monk]

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@Crescent_

Dont forget to submit the report to the CIA. Want my health card number?
Wsalam!

lol
dude te moment I read ur answer I knew you were from Canada.
These ppl living in usa have no idea what canada is all about.
To set the record stright
“In canada we don’t give rats behind about investigating agencies of usa”
Our agencies are not as blind as the ones in US, so my dear friends We enjoy true freedom in Canada.
“Long live canada”
right Crecent ??

[PyariCgudia]

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Right…Canadian Pakistanis have got it all, ey?

[Monk]

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I don't know that, but even talk to the friends from US over the phone. They always sound S--- scared of using words like bomb- al-Q etc in a normal discussion.

Canada is not like that at all, they even show muslim point of view in sep 2001 on national tv.
Our prime minister called ur president Bush a "moron".
Stuff like that,.

[teggy]

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@knockout_artist

I don’t know that, but even talk to the friends from US over the phone. They always sound S— scared of using words like bomb- al-Q etc in a normal discussion.

Canada is not like that at all, they even show muslim point of view in sep 2001 on national tv.
Our prime minister called ur president Bush a “moron”.
Stuff like that,.

Oh good God! you guys have a media that sympathizes with Taliban according to some and because you listen to such stuff and don’t get angry, you’re indirectly supporting them as well.

[pinks]

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@knockout_artist

I don’t know that, but even talk to the friends from US over the phone. They always sound S— scared of using words like bomb- al-Q etc in a normal discussion.

Canada is not like that at all, they even show muslim point of view in sep 2001 on national tv.
Our prime minister called ur president Bush a “moron”.
Stuff like that,.

He did nice to hear a leader of a western country saying it like it is. Hamara PM choubis ghuntey Bush ki khushaamat mein laga rehta tha… funny how he didn’t get re-elected

@teggy

Oh good God! you guys have a media that sympathizes with Taliban according to some and because you listen to such stuff and don’t get angry, you’re indirectly supporting them as well.

yes I’m guessing its that “with us/ against us policy”

[Crescent]

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I donno if he called him a moron, harper is the biggest supporter of bush and israel , so our PM supports the two largest terrorist organizations in the world.

and secondly, CSIS is softer than CIA, CIA folks are just paranoid, and derranged, mentally. CSIS actually comes to TALK TO YOU, not detain you without question. But, you cannot give them credit, because once they did do that on 17 young individuals who are now out on bail, and have no case against them, because it was a big setup, to please the states.

[psyah]

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My response was to the comments PCG and Mercenary were making.

:) Many apologies ... Thanks for clarifying

[psyah]

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Psyah says: "Her main stab is that even though someone is doing something wrong, what is his intention? "

Really Psyah? So, then if I intend to pray by saying a silent prayer at night, but I don't do the ACTION of reading namaz 5x a day...can I go to heaven?

I'm not dishing out sentences for Heaven and Hell, but if you only intended to pray but did not pray then that makes a person a sinner, but if a person does not pray and never intended to that makes them worse than a sinner. Both are wrong ... one is worse. Again look above and see what you have quoted my emphasis is on the word WRONG.

Oh, no wait, all rules of Islam as we understand them are either suspended or somehow altered overnight so that the cause of these gundas posing as saviors of our society (great saving, I see a whole lot of muslims dying with these suicide bombings being set off in Pakistan) can be legitimized?

Islam isn't something you mold to whatever fits your needs. The rules for warfare are very clear, and these jerks are breaking those rules. It should NOT take a rocket scientist to see that if they're commissioning suicide bombers to take out muslims in Pakistan, then they're OBVIOUSLY not very good at being muslims...

Red-herrings ... no one is legitamizing anything. If there is an injustice is will cause reactionary injustices ... The habit of some is to condemn the reaction but ignore the initial injustice that caused the reaction in the first place. Again they are both wrong, but one wrong caused the other.

[Monk]

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@Crescent_

I donno if he called him a moron, harper is the biggest supporter of bush and israel , so our PM supports the two largest terrorist organizations in the world. .

Not harper, the ex prime minister I am talking about.
One from monteral.

[hareem01]

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PCG! Crescent_ ke salaam ka jawab to de do chahay aik bar hi sahi. :)

[hypnotix-2000]

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Psyah, that's fine, but its clear that she sides with people involved in terrorism. Therefore, you can't be on both sides of the fence at once.

i.e. She doesn't know what she's talking about.

Something is seriously wrong with this post, and the thread in general! Give justice where it is due... I think bro Psyah's post and his comments are justified here.