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lol da kho de khanda khabara de oka…ma kho dasey oweh che ma fikir kawolo che rishtay yaye..keyni da kho daroghjana okhata..kha wrora ta senga yeh? kha kho yeh? kali aw kor ke khair khairyat da? baas ta rata wayaa zwana..da Allah fazal da dalta..nor tsa khabari neeshta..noh dumra rata owaya che da kam zai yeh aw wos kam zai ke osey? manana grana wrora
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Dr. Henry Walter Bellow, British ethnographer writing in 19th Century, states that Rajputs and Pashtuns have a common origin. This view is also partially shared by Olaf Careo. For example Bellow identifies Saraban, the mythical ancestor of some famous Pashtun tribes e.g. Yousafzai, Abdalis, etc., as Rajput Surajbansi meaning Children of the Sun or the Solar Race of Rajputs. Similarly he considers Sharkbun and Karshbun, the two sons of Saraban, as Surajan and Krishan respectively, both names of Rajput tribes. He proceeds on to compile a long list of related Rajput and Pashtun tribal names. For example, he identifies the following Pashtun tribes with the given Rajput tribal names.
Jafar (i.e. Jaffar Khel) with "Jipra" or "Pra" Rajput
Jallu (i.e. Jallu Khel) with "Jalliya" Rajput
Madda (i.e. Madda Khel) with "Madda" Rajput
Osi (i.e. Osi Khel) with "Oswal" Rajput
Urya (i.e. Urya Khel) with "Harya" Rajput
Shamaki (i.e. Shamaki Khel) with "Shamaki" Rajput
Maruf (i.e. Maruf Khel) with "Mir-Rup" Rajput
Yahya (i.e. Yahya zai) with "Johya" Rajput
Sangar (i.e. Sangar Khel) with "Sengarh" Rajput
(For the rest see Bellow's "An Ethnography of Afghanistan" or Brigadier Retired Harun-u-Rashid's "History of the Pathans-Volume 2 Sarabani Pathans").
Generally accepted view about Rajput is, they are not an ancient people but are descendent of the hordes from Central Asia that invaded Hindustan in the middle of the first millinuim A.D. Thus Rajputs can be considered the modern representatives of the Sythians, Kushans, and Ephtalites (White Huns) that arrived south of Hindukush from 1st Century A.D. to 6th Century A.D. Similarly, about Pashtuns, Yuri V. Gankovsky writes:
"In my opinion, when the Ephtalite (White Huns) tribal alliance disintegrated in the middle of first millinuim A.D. then a confederation of the East Iranian tribes was formed that became the initial substratum of Pashtun ethnicity. Some other tribes of the same alliance, to the north of Hindukush, laid the ethnic foundation of modern Central Asian nations, in particular, Uzbaks and Turkmans. An evidence of this can be found in the ethnonyms of these nations. Among Turkamans and Uzbaks, there is an ethno-name "Abdal" found that is traced to Ephtalites. In the south of Hindukush, a section of Ephtalite tribal alliance suffered a decline in power as military muscle of the rulers and was pushed towards Suleman mountains where population was sparse and pastures and water-sources limited. There they participated in another tribal alliance. This actually laid down the foundation for Pashtun ethnicity."
Gonkovsky further writes:
"The evidence of Ephtalites participation in Pashtun-ethnic formation is that the name of one of the largest Pashtun tribal confederacy is "Abdali" (called Durrani now), which is related to "Abdal" the ethnic appellation for Ephtalites. Till the beginning of 19th Century, the Kafir of Hindukush (Nuristanis) called Pashtuns as Abdals. It is also possible that Kushan and Tokharian tribes might have contributed to Pashtun ethnic composition. In this connection, the European linguist George Morgensteirne has written that Urnar(Barkis) know Pashtuns by the ethnic name of Kash or Kas".
Although, Pashtuns have a mixed ethnicity, having amalgamted Iranian tribes like Parachi and Baraki (Barkis) and Turks e.g. Khalaj (modern Ghiljis/Khiljis) and Turklanis, they have Ephtalites as a substantial portion of their ethnic composition. So a link between Pashtuns and Rajputs is highly likely as also supported by similarity of values and martial traditions.
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Someone mentioned something silly about losing your ''rajputness'' by marrying into other tribes and by converting to Islam.... Interesting. Can that physiologically be proved or is that another self serving hindutva propogandist tool?
I am a very proud Janjua Raja, but there is no way that I dont stand with my Pakistani countrymen, Gakhar, Arain, Gujjar, all my Muslim Rajputs, all my people whatever background. We are proud Muslims FIRST and then our ethnic backgrounds and no honour bound Pakistani will deny this.
I did funnily enough hear the opposite from an Indian fellow though. The Indian army has nowehere near the celebrated numbers of Rajputs in their army as Pakistan does, is that because THEY have lost something in their blood? Funny when the shoe is on the other foot, no?
Usually Indians are great people, I've never found a Hindu Rajput to be either historically correct (i.e. the above point about resisting Mughals....Akbars Harem was full of Hindu Rajputanis!!!!!) they were his best allies allegedly and never dared stand against him. The Jauhars mentioned were because of their own lax/backward thinking, not because they had any genuine threat, especially seeing as Maan Singh Kachwaha himself was leading that fight?!!!
;-)
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My abbu is Mian Arain, and my ammi is Kashmiri Butt
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Does anyone here know about the 'Ahmed Zai' tribe of pukhtuns?
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I am Rajput Punjabi from both sides. My fore fathers are from a place called Nankana Sahib, where Sikh religion's Guru Nanak was born.
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There is one Ahmadzai tribe in Paktya and is considered a branch of Khiljis (Matozai tribal confederacy...)...
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New Yorkan
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I'm 100% Rajput Punjabi
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I'm a Indian and No where related to any ethnic tribes in pakistan
if anyone interested i can post my details
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Sure you are welcome.
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lakkis25, why not? Please post your details!
It is unfortunate that there is so much inhospitality shown towards Indians on this board that lakkis25 feels apologetic posting here. It is very uncourteous.
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Thank you guys for showing interest in knowing my details
I'm from South Indian State Andhra Pradesh
we are genetically Aryans and Culturally Dravidians
My Caste is Reddy (means Village Head man ), some people relate this to surname Rathore of Rajputs don't know how much true it is,
most prominent reddy people are the current reserve bank governer YV Reddy
Ex President of India Neelam Sanjeeva Reddy and current chief minister of Andhra Pradesh state, basically Reddy's are very dominent communities in the state and very strong politicians and nearly 50% of MLA's in State Assembly are Reddy's
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am jatt pujabi.. from langrial near gujrat...any body frm near this?????
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I'm from South Indian State Andhra Pradesh we are genetically Aryans and Culturally Dravidians My Caste is Reddy (means Village Head man ), some people relate this to surname Rathore of Rajputs don't know how much true it is, most prominent reddy people are the current reserve bank governer YV Reddy Ex President of India Neelam Sanjeeva Reddy and current chief minister of Andhra Pradesh state, basically Reddy's are very dominent communities in the state and very strong politicians and nearly 50% of MLA's in State Assembly are Reddy's
aryans? or arain?
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It's Aryan and not arain, here is the difference between both from en.wikipedia.org
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Arain (Urdu: آرائین) is a Muslim tribe settled mainly in the Punjab and Sindh provinces of Pakistan. Arain are mainly involved in agriculture and form a significant percentage in the Pakistan Army. The population of Arains exceed over 10 millions. Arain originally were one of the Semitic tribes that came and settled in South Asia from Middle East. Most of them were the members of Muhammad Bin Qasim army which conquered INDIA (which includes present Pakistan) in 714-715 and many settled here. It is also believed that that the arain, Aryan tribe are legendery farmers and specialist in growing delicate crops like herbs, garlic and onions.
The arain/Aryan people tend to to called by the name mian, mehr and chaudry, they are mainly based in the Punjab region of Pakistan where they have been in power for along time, most of the generals in the Pakistani army are Aryan/arain , many heads of security and the police department are also arain.
There are references to the arain/Aryan tribe in many books written by western writers but the most famous one is R Kiplings book in which there is a reference to an angry arain trader of old age who seemed fearless, when wronged attacked and carried on shouting even after he saw that he was clearly out numbered and winning this fight was not going to be easy. R kipling comments on the bravery of the arain man. In Pakistan Arains are basically agriculturists, but with passage of time educated rose to many top positions in the business as well as the government.
Some of the prominent Arain rulers in Pakistan were General Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto (Bhutto Family) is also said to be Arain, though he never admitted this in public.
It is believed the Arain word is derived from the Arabic name Ar-Rai, "The shepherd", a title indigenous to Arabia.
Rudyard Kipling's book Kim there is a reference to the Arain tribe of Punjab.
Aryan :- you can search for aryan race in wikipedia, as i'm not permitted to post url's
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Rajput Punjabi from dads side,
Nordrhein-Westfale German from mums side :)
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Jatt(Dhillon) Punjabi from father's side and Pathan(Niazi) from mom side.
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Argentinan by birth and Cuban by choice....
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Lol, so the famous che guevara is among us, back from the dead. By the way have you heard the song dedicated to him "Haste siempra.commandante che guevara 9spelling?)"??