Re: Your cousin's illegal status
If your spouse accidentally (or even on purpose) crossed the red light, would you report him/her?
Re: Your cousin's illegal status
and we cry corrupt governments :)
true tht!! i thnk everyone is corrupt thesedays ... from a sabzi wala to a businessman! :(
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are u goanna get bounty?
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and we cry corrupt governments :)
Not reporting an illegal act that doesn't cause harm to anyone around the person is not equal to misappropriating the funds of the public.
Re: Your cousin’s illegal status
^ exactly.
So all of you who would report somebody with an illegal status, you all must be very honest citizins 
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Illegal immigrants in the UK ARE actually causing us harm … irrespective of what nationality they are from … we pay much higher taxes coz those illegal immigrants are using up our services … they dont contribute anything to the society , no taxes, no social value…
When they do get caught , not only are the employers fined heavily, but also that particular community gets budnaam …
I hate illegal stayers … they make the rest of us seem stupid , idiots for working so hard and being good citizens 
I think we should play our role and report anyone involved in any illegal activities …
Re: Your cousin's illegal status
Peace All
I was talking to my missus about such a hypothetical situation. First of all Islamically is it allowed? Is the rozee that an illegal is earning is it halal? As for the crossing the lights intentionally ... yes it is a crime and when I do it my wife tells me off, however there is a grey area and that is if I'm travelling too fast before I can reach the light then it is advised to continue on to avoid breaking and stopping in the middle of the access way for the cross flow traffic. Do we only report crime because they make us feel better?
And if it depends on the severity of the crime what if the relative has started to sell drugs - like small time a bit of cannibis here and there. Is that reportable? When is it necessary to report illegal status - even of your loved ones?
Is it not our Islamic duty to stop or report crimes?
What if you could give an anonymous tip off ... would you? Or instead of reporting the relative how about reporting the organisation doing the illegal hiring? Or providing the residence to the illegal immigrant?
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So is the relative selling illegal drugs?
Re: Your cousin's illegal status
^ I don't know are you?
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@ Psyah, It IS our islamic duty to stop or report crimes :k: But i would still not report any person who is staying over illegal in a country and works his ass off because he has a whole family to feed.
If i did so, i would not feel like a fulfilled my duty at all. I would rather feel like i am a chughalkhor and a rat.
ALLAH TALAH mujhko maaf karaiN aur hum sab ko hidayat deiN. Ameen.
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Islamically, instead of stabbing your relative in the back in a mad militant rush, I would try my utmost best to encourage him to leave the country, show him every possible negative result of living as an illegal immigrant or just pray to Allah to show him the straight path, just like the Prophet pbuh kept sending the invitation of Islam to some people till the very last minute.
Islamically there are many ways to 'do your part' in this case.
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^ I don't know are you?
What?
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^ I thought the same thing when you asked me a question about a hypothetical person as if he is real ... so I assumed for a moment you were my hypothetical cousin illegal immigrant and asked you the question back ... when it comes to hypothetical situations it all works.
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Is the rozee that an illegal is earning is it halal? ?
so let me ask you this. Is wearing naqab in France halal or not
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LOL. I suppose you don't need to support him, but to report him? that's bizarre. Lets sort ourselves out first and then focus on reporting others just for the sake of doing a good deed.
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if its hareem's relative, i'd report them asap. :p
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so let me ask you this. Is wearing naqab in France halal or not
Peace TLK
That is easy ... My statement about rozee was on the basis that "If the conditions of an act are not permissible according to Islam then the act that follows is questionable" you however have asked a different question, that is "If by doing something permissible or righteous where the conditions do not permit it to be done" then by not doing it there is no accountability for not doing it. Hence is it halal to wear a niqab in France - yes it is, but is it blameworthy not to wear it ... many scholars would say no. On the other hand earning a rozee in any way is not permissible, the conditions of how that rozee is earned is part and parcel of the permissibility of that rozee. Theft is a rozee that is haram for example. However one may be able to argue that there is no other choice, that the only way he could have gotten money to feed his starving self and family is to steal. If that is the basis of the illegal immigrant then he is obliged to stop being illegal when his immediate needs have been fulfilled, after which accountability is exercisable over him.
Also in your example something praiseworthy according to Islam is made unlawful in the state there is no premise to that praiseworthy act - it is simply done.
However one may argue that earning a good wage to feed a family in Pakistan is praiseworthy, but on a number factors this is not the same, i.e. the basis of his stay before the work is illegal, also this specific argument would not work Islamically since rizq comes from Allah (SWT).
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U think so?
I work my @$$ for hours to pay for such free loaders. My blood boils to see these illegal immigrants around me who work on CASH to avoid being caught, whose 3 under 10 kids buy iPhones, yet they get free medical treatment (because of undeclared salary) at the hospital. Who pays for that? YOU and ME.
As for equating it to corruption in government, people in govt do corruption because they CAN. All average Joe can do is to immigrate illegally and have fun on other people's expense.
By no mean I am saying that I am farishta. I my self might not report such cousin. I was just giving observation that we all are corrupt to some extent (jahaan tak bas chalta hai wahan tak)
Not reporting an illegal act that doesn't cause harm to anyone around the person is not equal to misappropriating the funds of the public.
Re: Your cousin’s illegal status
Many of the kids/teens/tweens of Pakistani/subcontinental descent in the UK/US, who are born citizens of these countries, have had parents/father, who came over as illegals, and got their residence permits through some back channel, whether it was through asylum, amnesty, or some other immigration gold rush.
One is free to report anyone who is an illegal alien, but to downplay anyone’s role in society is unfair as well. So long as a person is working with his hands, and earning money, he is contributing to the society in some way.
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I've been doing some thinking and come to realise that the people who really take advantage of the system are the business owners who hire these people, the traffickers who get paid lots of money to shift these people ... It would be far easier for me to report those people instead.