hey why do'nt u open your books for refernces ,you say our hadiths are'nt authentic if we give a refence to your books you say have to check authenicity!!!
tobah!!!!stubborn !!were is the hatered ??its the darkness in you that u can not see the light.
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Originally posted by sophi:
hey why do'nt u open your books for refernces ,you say our hadiths are'nt authentic if we give a refence to your books you say have to check authenicity!!!
tobah!!!!stubborn !!were is the hatered ??its the darkness in you that u can not see the light.
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Well, we are suppose to varify the hadith. Unlike you, who believes everything which a "site" gives you and fails to varify it. Mr "hello hello" posted many hadiths but most of them turned out to be false and fabricated and were attributed to "sahi muslim and sahi bukhari" on that site you gave in other thread!
saima get a life,we r talking about the majority and minority is islam!!!the world is definately going to hell its justthe sects of islam we r talking about.and about namaz we pray 3 times yes!!!do u know that muslims all over the world pray like this in HAJJ a few times!!!ask an elder who already ahs preformed hajj.and about weeping do u think our families and the Prohet and his family are alike.they are sinless people how dare you compare the two!!and i can give you the refenceces from YOUR BOOKS on crying.
when Allah said he will protect the Quran till qayamat who are we to say its incomplete be it sunnis or be it shias.
the Prophet only had one daughter i.e Bibi Fatima who died when she was 18.
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Originally posted by sophi:
hey why do'nt u open your books for refernces ,you say our hadiths are'nt authentic if we give a refence to your books you say have to check authenicity!!!
tobah!!!!stubborn !!were is the hatered ??its the darkness in you that u can not see the light.
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Sophi....I would appreciate it if you kept 'you' and 'me' out of the conversation.
I realize there are different sects out there, and there are clear differences between them. It would be best if instead of proving one sect as better over the other, or proving one right and the other wrong, we just presented whatever we want to present, and let readers judge it for themselves.
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about namaz we pray 3 times yes!!!do u know that muslims all over the world pray like this in HAJJ a few times!!!
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I do it all the time when I am travelling. The shias are travelling all the time aren't they? I agree this world is a temporary place.**
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about weeping do u think our families and the Prohet and his family are alike.they are sinless people how dare you compare the two!!**
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How true. Now who you exclude from the family of the Prophet (sallallaho alaihe wasallam) is a question mark on you! Supposing you exclude someone who should be considered as a family member. Do you know what will happen to you? **
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i can give you the refenceces from YOUR BOOKS on crying.**
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Please I beg of you. We would like to see which book of the ahl-e-sunnah says cry for 1400 years.
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when Allah said he will protect the Quran till qayamat who are we to say its incomplete be it sunnis or be it shias.**
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Have you heard of usule kafi. You want me to quote from there?
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the Prophet only had one daughter i.e Bibi Fatima who died when she was 18.**
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Do you know why Othman (radhi Allaho anh) was called noorain? He was married to two daughters of Rasool Allah (sallallaho alaihe wasallam). None of them was named Fatima. Try to read something real and avoid fiction as it is full of fantasy and lies.
Rabbeshrah lee sadree; wa yassirlee amree; yafqahoo qaulee.
Sophi
I try very hard not to get involved in the Sunni v Shia debates, but unfortunately I cannot keep quiet on your comments concerning Fatimah RA being the only daughter of the Prophet PBUH.
I am really disappointed in your naivity and lack of knowledge. I couldn't care less in what you believe or not, but please refrain from the blatant lies.
The names of the Prophet's children were:
Qasim,
Zainab,
Ruqaiyyah,
Umm-e-Kulthoom,
Faatimah and
Ibraheem (ra).
All these children, except Ibraheem, were born to the Prophet's first wife - Khadijah (ra). Ibraheem was born to Maria Qibtiyyah.
Thus, the total number of the Prophet's children was six. Of these the first and the last were male children. Both the male children died in their childhood/infancy.
The Prophet did not have a child from each of his wife.
The above is a universal fact and not an Us versus You scenario.
Read and digest!!!!!!!
sahih ,bukhari
vol:2 book 23,no:336
narrated by jabir bin abdullah
when my father was martyered i lifed the sheet from his face and wept and the people forbade me to do so but the Prophet did not forbade me.then my aunt fatima began weeping and the Prophet said,"it is all the same wether you weep or not.the angels were shading him countinously with there wings till you shift him".
sahih ,bukhari
vol:2 book 23,no:336
narrated by jabir bin abdullah
when my father was martyered i lifed the sheet from his face and wept and the people forbade me to do so but the Prophet did not forbade me.then my aunt fatima began weeping and the Prophet said,"it is all the same whether you weep or not.the angels were shading him countinously with there wings till you shift him". (as it says in OUR sahih Bukhari! our prophet said 'it is all the same whether you weep or not' doesn't this tell you something, one might cry at the loss of another, but to this extent of 'pitna' howling, screaming. our prohet although expressly did not say do not cry he also did not advocate the way you lot behave at muharram.
we ehle sunna/sunnis also love respect the prophets family and do not like to hear bad words against them but you shias have gone way over the top. cool down now for your own sake! at least we do not have gutter tongues that lash out at our sahaba ikram, 4 imams, hazrat aisha etc
Prophet only had one daughter i.e Bibi Fatima who died when she was 18.
did you forget about zainab, ruqaiya, umme kalsoom or did you just NOT KNOW of their existence
i personally do not know what branch of shiism you follow but this is a example of their beliefs
shiites-ismailis-bohras
The bohras are am ethnic group in India and Pakistan, originally a hindu caste, most of whom today are Mustali ISMAILIS. They are under the leadership of a Da'i Mutlaq, or "Absolute Preacher." They were created in the 11th Century C.E. Most bohras are Daudi Ismailis, and they are the ones covered here. Their headquarters is in Bombay. Amongst the notable beliefs of the bohra which have taken them outside the Muslim ummah are:
1) The Quran is False Bohras believe that when Umar(ra) was collecting the quran, he omitted parts of it relating to Ali(ra) being the real Caliph. They believe they alone posess the 'real' quran, and it is with their Da'i Mutlaq.
Real muslims completely refute the claims of the bohra concerning the false quran, there is no evidence for it what so ever, and is clearly a lie made up by the enemies of Islam; the bohras.
2) Lying and Concealment of Belief. This is an essential part of the bohra faith. It is an everyday practise, the bohras believe that if one of them tells the truth about their religion, such as the false quran, he has committed a great sin and will be expelled from their community. Bohras also believe they gain reward from decieving Muslims, and making the character of muslims look bad. Lying has no place in islam at all. Honesty is one of the most important Islamic virtues. A muslim can only conceal his faith in matters of life or death, not in everyday activity as the bohra do. Once agains the difference between muslims and bohra is shown.
3) Reincarnation. The bohras believe that their leader is a reincarnation of the previous leader, who was initially a reincarnation of Ali(ra). Reincarnation has no place in islam, and is a Hindu concept.
4) All non-Bohras are Non-muslim The bohra believe that they are the only muslims. They have an intense hatred of Sunni Muslims, but also of Shias, whom they claim to be a part of. They will not reveal this because of their concept of concealment, but it can be noticed in their devious behaviour. Hatred is not a part of islam. Islam teaches tolerance amongst mankind, and love of your fellow human being. Once again we see why the bohras are not part of Islam, and should not claim to be.
also can i add, how come Zalim ka bacha is interested in the sunni/shia debate when he is an ahmadi, not even counted as a muslim. what does he expect to contribute apart from some details from his mirzas books.
what does he expect from this that he can side with the sunnis or shias or play off one against the others
maybe we sunni and shias can sort out our differences in a million years but that ZKB still leaves you nowhere. do you understand?
This forum is strictly for healthy, non-targeted discussions.
If you people insist on continuing personal wars, you must do it via PMs.