You fake clowns...get off your high horse

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Thank you Afridi

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nbn,

we get your point.. i know what are trying to say but it seems to me its more of a emotional/personal issue and not a religious. You not need to take what others people do or say so seriously. You do what you think is right and let others do what they think its right. You seem to have quite an issue with 'nosy' people like all lakin why get so upset with them? its not like as if they are related to you. JUSt ignore, its not that hard to do (n that too online).

and if you want to discuss everything in the light of Islam, here is something i found out..:

[2:235] You commit no sin by announcing your ENGAGEMENT to the women, or keeping it secret. GOD knows that you will think about them. Do not meet them secretly, unless you have something righteous to discuss. Do not consummate the marriage until their interim is fulfilled. You should know that GOD knows your innermost thoughts, and observe Him. You should know that GOD is Forgiver, Clement.

The above verse indicates that you CAN talk to your fiancee, you can even meet them in secret if you have something righteous to discuss.

its a quote from ahmed (guppy) ...please go over Quran yourself and read this ayah specifically and then we'll discuss more about this fiance vs. girlfriend issue.

It is quite clear from the verse that engagement is given a higher standard than boy/girlfriend relationships.

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Actually both of the above are haraam. Sara516, I know what u mean :) but a muslim cannot stay away from one haraam thing and then do another haraam thing cuz he/she thinks this one is 'less worse' than the first one. Haraam is haraam. A person should try his/her utter most to avoid it even if it be a small tiny thing. And Allah (s.w.a) knows best :D

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Please choose alternate words or sentences when you post. If your problem is with people that try to pick and choose islamic teaching to fit their lifestyle yet on the same token criticize you for your lifestyle, that is a issue that I support YOU 100% on. You are absolutely right, they ARE being hypocrite. If you had left it at that, I would have no problem with your post. But when you try to be the "defender of islam" by saying stuff like "if someone tries to justify their sins by twisting qur'an, I will defend my faith" the table gets turned. At that point, you are the one that is being a hypocrite. You are in no position to stick up for a religion that you yourself don't follow.

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Wow NBN - you said this thread was aimed at people who've disrespected you on GS. You must have had some serious run-ins with people to post such a rant as this! I better look up some more of your threads!Lol!

All I can say is, in my opinion everyone has a very individual take on religion. We are none of us equal in personality and capacity of mind or in knowledge, and consequently, I don't believe that any of us can be equal in how we practice our religion.

Thus, unsurprisingly, there will be diputes in opinion and it is certainly healthy to discuss these and help one another to at lthe very least listen to other perspectives.

Out of interest, if you'd care to share that is, what made you deviate from practicing Islam - I get the impression that you did practice earnestly at some point...?

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BrowneyedBeauty...
In none of the translations does it say the word engagement...it is meant in the terms of proposal which is slightly different...naturally you have to come to an agreemnt to get married to someone...

However this agreement does not mean that you can usddenly start to free mix with them as if they are your wife...you are still limited in what you can talk about with them...you are still limited to discussing with them in the prcense of a male mehram...you are still not permitted to chat to them on the phone without having a mehram present...and your parents approval means nothing as to whether you can see them or not...these rules only change when you are married...

Being engaged to a woman doesnt mean the rules change in any way...im not suggesting yourself but girls try and create an ambiguity about what the rules are in the first place...and the rules clearly dont permit you to do the things iv stated above until you are married...everyone seems to think its ok to chat to them as long as nothing physical is going on...im afraid it isnt...

Also about the idea of an engagement...there is no such thing officially in Islam...its a proposal thats all...it doesnt change anything in any way...it can be broken if you want...

Atlanta...
Granted...i accept your points...

Phoenix51...
Lol yes i have had the odd run in...I agree with you about what you say but what i will say is a lot of things are clear cut...people make things diffciult and ambiguous to benefit themsleves most of the time...if you genuinely make a decision to the best of your abulity then i dont have an issue...its just a lot of people as iv stated arent so genuine and choose the options that suit them and then spout stuff about difference of opinion etc...you get what i mean?

And as for me practicing earnestly...i did...i reverted when i was 15 and was practicing till i was 18...I had a fun life when i was a kid but i changed all that cos i knew that this stuff was true and iv never ever been insincere to myself...

I however found it hard to practice...its not that i couldnt do it...its just i came from a background which was completely opposite...i gave up girls, drinking, drugs, my friends...and practiced...but the thing is i was pratcicing but i did it cos i know this is what i am supposed to do...Its heaven and hell at the end of the day...i could never reach that stage where it was for the true thing of love for my creator...

My islamic friends you could see had a genuine love for what they were doing...they hated what Allah loved and loved what he loved...me deep down i still loved the haram things...its just i didnt do them...

To cut a long story short this conflict is what eventaully broke me...i believed everything to be correct and believed it truly hence why i practiced but i couldnt build love for it and thats what destroyed me in the end...My feelings always contrasted my actions...id avoid something cos it was haram but deep down i really wanted to do it...

I understand that thats the nature of a test and i did a good job for three years...Its just eventaully i couldnt hack it anymore...I couldnt cope with the non free mixing...not listening to music...not going to the cinema with friends...all the things i enjoyed when i was young...

I had to be sincere to myself...my actions hsould represent my feelings and at this stage im certainly not ready to practice Islam to its entirety...if i do something i do something properly...thats why jummah muslims annoy me...cos they satisfy themselves on picking and choosing based on their needs and wants...

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I wonder what ever happened to Naughty by Nature...?

He was always such a controversial poster...the ensuing discussions were always interesting...

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Yeah, that was N'by'N for ya...wonder where he is?

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if beliefs and actions are mutually exclusive, you've just proven beliefs are vain NBN!

shabash

live and let live, you'll feel better trust me

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**Live and let live brothers and sisters. Be respectful and tolerant to others and do not be* judgemental. No body is perfect and we are all fighting our own battles in our own peculiar circumstances. If you strongly feel that something is done wrong please pray that GOD almighty help that person.*

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Excellent naughty by nature

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hey !
this surely tells you did not leave gs :smiley: ( i thot you left it )

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I must admit that I only glanced thru the thread and responses but I do have a general idea of the gist of it all.

The thing to try to remember here is that your relationship with Allah/God is between YOU and GOD. No one else. Its private and no one else;s business. In the same vein, it isnt your business or anyone elses what others beleive or how they choose to worship. I think that if more of the world population adhered to this, then there would be far fewer wars and a far greater chance of peace on earth.

Strive to be the best person you can be, set a good example for others and worry not if they do not comply.

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Hey niyal, I haven't seen him post anything in ages...just wondered what happened...

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for the same reason i thought he had left gs/

but he’s here to post some how :slight_smile:

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i agree for most part with mister Naughty by Nature:o ..