You alone we worship and from You alone we seek help (and may we always)

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Re: You alone we worship and from You alone we seek help (and may we always)

@vroom

Well I will encourage you to speak up regarding incorrect beliefs, so if you have no such issue, which needs speaking against, then no further action required. If you do have issue then you must raise your concerns. The subject here is “iyyaka na’budu wa iyyaka nasta’een” its correct interpretation, and refutation the incorrect interpretation coming from some of your friends. It is important for me that the subject is realized

Obviously I do not know the details of the clarification you are looking for. However I have spoken on shirk and what is not shirk, so if you have anything to say on the matter I will stick to my beliefs, so you are free to make your point.

Well that is inaccurate according to you, However there are scholars who have believe RasoolAllah SallAllahu Alaihi wa Aalihi wa Sallam has full knowledge of the Ghaib. It is a different ‘everything’ (a drop in the Ocean) as to the ‘‘everything’’ as in the absolute knowledge of Allah Subhanahu wa Ta’ala

There is no ijma on the subject on full knowledge of the Unseen but if anyone denies The Prophet SallAllahu Alaihi wa Aalihi wa Sallam knew at least some of the 5 things they may find a nice big fatwa on their heads! These are the parameters i know about

Well if you have knowledge on Aqeedah books then you share that, or accept that perhaps your concerns are unfounded. We are the people who built Mazars from the east to the west, from the north to the south, for the purpose of visiting and spending time with Awliya and gaining any tabarruk we could from that. That was Us - Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaah. That is still Us.

I can tell you I do not know what aqeedah I am from Ashari or muturidi, and Moulana Asrar Rashid is Ashari. So your information is perhaps wrong, i dont know
From the questions you are posing it seems that you are think we are something new, however that can be quickly dispelled by the fact we the ones of India who did not change post the arrival of Riyadhi influence. So we are those Indians who were Sunnis before and are still Sunni

Peace brother vroom

We - i.e. you and me are from the same or at least a very similar tradition … My concerns are for many people like us … who choose to learn about matters of the spirit without learning about matters of the belief system. It is essential to learn those in order to put the whole sayings in to context that way we are better equipped to answer some of the concerns here on this forum too.

For example no where in our aqeedah - neither 'Ashari nor Maturidi are we to hold on to the idea that RasoolAllah (SAW) knew all the ghaib. However, there are many interpretive texts that show there are levels of ghaib … many of which are closed to the average person, but open for the awliya and many levels that they cannot see and many levels that even the angels do not have permission to see beyond.

I do believe that it is right to say that RasoolAllah (SAW) has access to all knowledge of this world - but is that equal to knowledge of ghaib as in as a similitude with Allah (SWT) - no … so that needs to be made clear to the people who are suggesting kufr or shirk - because to them it is not obvious like it is to you … you need to explain why it is not shirk … like I have just done. We need to separate the Characteristics of The Divine (SWT) from the characteristics of Messenger. (SAW).

By the way I do not know which aqeedah your maulana follows, but Sh. Ahmed Raza Khan (RA) followed Maturidi … and my Shaykh is also Ash’ari … yet I am like most Hanafis Maturidi. So once we know what we are … in aqeedah it is necessary to seek out what the fundamental elements are of the books of Imam Maturidi. For me I have 'Aqeedah At-Tahawiya it is very similar to Maturidi text but also simpler … I do have Al-Fiqh Al-Akbar which is an aqeedah book by Imam Abu Hanifah (RA) … here read this - it is a precursor to our more developed aqeedah …

http://www.central-mosque.com/aqeedah/fiqakbar.pdf

We are on the same side by the way …