Iyyaka Naaabudu waIyyaka Nastaeen
A Sunni bayan on the correct understanding of this verse from Al-Fatiha making light of incorrect interpretations that have been spread
Title for those in pakistan: Peer Saqib Shaami lecture 9 oct 2013 What is Shirk [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9513rqmklgI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBM0JEQ3alE) Title: Pir Saqib Shaami lecture qtv bayan 30 oct 2013 Topic - Shirk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTmREWaIoEEDiscuss anything you want from the lectures
Re: You alone we worship and from You alone we seek help (and may we always)
qal allah fi al quran ul kareem ?
seriously ???
urdu yah angreezi meen kehty mout prati hy ???
Dont look like people are there to learn... the are there to enjoy...
how people start shaking in anticipation when music is just starts.
this is from first 30 sec, you want me to watch more??
Re: You alone we worship and from You alone we seek help (and may we always)
qal allah fi al quran ul kareem ? seriously ???
He said " Qal Allah Tabaraka wa Ta'ala fil Quran al Kareem... and it is superb speech.
Certainly I didnt see a problem with it. The Imam himself has a presence which is common among a certain group. I used to have a bughz towards this presence but I really appreciate it now
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urdu yah angreezi meen kehty mout prati hy ???
Dont look like people are there to learn... the are there to enjoy...
how people start shaking in anticipation when music is just starts.
this is from first 30 sec, you want me to watch more??
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If you got bukhar from 30 seconds then it would be highly irresponsible of me to tell you to watch more. What I am going to do is to tell you to watch more. Burn
No, seriously, it's up to you whether you watch it or not. I have listened to it, a few times, but not watched it much
Re: You alone we worship and from You alone we seek help (and may we always)
watched 10.
Its wrong what he is preaching.
All example he is giving alive people asking from help each other.
What he is going to suggest or already suggesting "ao'lia" the dead one is can help.
I say that make islam just like any other religion.
Same human tendency in play, to find more tenable, more access able gods...
Re: You alone we worship and from You alone we seek help (and may we always)
Same human tendency in play, to find more tenable, more access able gods...
How are they "more accessible"?
If a Muslim says that he is asking for help from Allah through a waseela, then it should actually be "less accessible", as it is an INDIRECT way of asking for help.
Also. You need to acknowledge this: Equating waseela with 'making gods' is your own interpretation. Others disagree with this interpretation.
Re: You alone we worship and from You alone we seek help (and may we always)
In interpreting ‘iyyaka nasta’een’, Wahhabis say that asking help from anyone besides Allah in any form and for any reason, is shirk.
For the same reason, they say that ‘al hamdolillah’ means that Hamd can only be done for Allah alone. Anyone doing it for anyone else is shirk.
“In all aspects of Islam Hamd is used and can only be use for Allah alone.”
But this point is nullified when we see that Prophet’s own name is ‘Muhammad’ and ‘Mahmud’ (One who has Hamd’).
Re: You alone we worship and from You alone we seek help (and may we always)
^ Khoji!
Hamd is indeed for Allah alone or are you suggesting that "Al-hmadu lillahi" is an exaggeration? na audu blillah
"Al-hmadu lillahi" means Only Allah is worthy of ALL the praises. Moreover, Hamd is used for those acts and qualities that are volitional in the one who is being praised. Also it depicts magnifying, honoring and admiration of the object of praise and at the same time lowliness, humility, and submissiveness in the one who offers it. So Hamd is for Allah alone because He is the only one whose qualities being praised are His own and not dependent on anything else
Praising the holy prophet (pbuh) may be called Madh not Hamd.
Re: You alone we worship and from You alone we seek help (and may we always)
Would someone care to explain the concept of waseela. concise and precise answer please.
Re: You alone we worship and from You alone we seek help (and may we always)
Praising the holy prophet (pbuh) may be called Madh not Hamd.
Interpretations are done to come to certain theological point. These interpretations could be right or wrong. One should be very careful in declaring other Muslims kafir and mushrik based on such interpretations.
Re: You alone we worship and from You alone we seek help (and may we always)
Peace khoji
Language is interesting ... but before we go in to any deep discussion please answer me this ... Do you feel that because the names might be/are the same or similar hence - we can also equate Sayyiduna Muhammad (SAW) and Sayyiduna Ali (RA) with Allah (SWT)?
Are you actually arguing for understanding Allah (SWT) in the same way we understand His servants?
You see the fundamental point here is not in the name - it is in understanding of what makes Allah (SWT) different from His Creation so we can accordingly understand our relationship with Him and with His chosen elects.
What is the Right of Allah (SWT) and what is the Right of RasoolAllah (SAW) and how are these unique? Then you will start to see how things fall in place and how names which appear to be the same are in fact different as well.
Re: You alone we worship and from You alone we seek help (and may we always)
islam is deen not a mazhab
iqbal
Iqbal Speech - YouTube
maulana ishaq
Deen aur Mazhab - Maulana ISHAQ.flv - YouTube
dr tahir qadri
DEEN ISLAM A COMPREHENSIVE REALITY 2/3 - YouTube
dr. israr ahmed
Living under Pakistan’s Non-Islamic Govt. System. What to do ? Dr. Israr Ahmad - YouTube
Fastest Growing Religion Is Mazhab-e-Islam Not Deen-e-Islam - Dr Israr Ahmed (ra) - YouTube
dr tahir khakwani
Deen Aur Mazhab Main Faraq By Dr. Tahir Khakwani - YouTube
allama parwez
ISLAM KAY MUQABIL ISLAM - YouTube
javed ghamdi
Talash with Javed Ahmed Ghamidi | AajTv | 10-2-2012 - YouTube
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While explaining the acts of calling upon ghair u Allah, the two groups, shia and brelwi hazrat, dont mention their aqeeda that forms the basis of it. They believe that Allah has given powers of execution in universe to Ahle Bait and Awlia. Have heard and read brelvis in newspapers that Allah runs this universe through souls of Awlia.
Re: You alone we worship and from You alone we seek help (and may we always)
Peace khoji
Language is interesting ... but before we go in to any deep discussion please answer me this ... Do you feel that because the names might be/are the same or similar hence - we can also equate Sayyiduna Muhammad (SAW) and Sayyiduna Ali (RA) with Allah (SWT)?
I can't believe you even suggest this.
It is stupid to even think that one is equating Ali with Allah. It shows that the main argument is completely lost if someone says so.
Re: You alone we worship and from You alone we seek help (and may we always)
Peace khoji
Language is interesting ... but before we go in to any deep discussion please answer me this ... Do you feel that because the names might be/are the same or similar hence - we can also equate Sayyiduna Muhammad (SAW) and Sayyiduna Ali (RA) with Allah (SWT)?
I can't believe you even suggest this.
It is an attack on Rationality to someone even suggest that one is equating Ali with Allah. It shows that the main argument is completely lost.
But of course, it is always easy to answer a point concocted in one's own mind. *
khud hi sawal banao, khud hi jawab do*. Very nice. :)
Re: You alone we worship and from You alone we seek help (and may we always)
While explaining the acts of calling upon ghair u Allah, the two groups, shia and brelwi hazrat, dont mention their aqeeda that forms the basis of it. They believe that Allah has given powers of execution in universe to Ahle Bait and Awlia. Have heard and read brelvis in newspapers that Allah runs this universe through souls of Awlia.
It is not just about Shias and Barailvis, rather about ALL non-Wahhabi Muslims. Ottomans were not Barailvis on whom Wahhabi Najadis had imposed their takfir, and with whom they fought for being non-Muslims.
I don't about this aqeeda much, but I know that similar aqeeda is held by both them and followers of Ibn Wahhab. Allah has given powers of execution in universe to angels.
According to Wahhabi aqeeda, they themselves commit shirk when they accept they Rizq (sustenance) is provided by an angel instead of Allah.
And if followers of Ibn Abdul Wahhab say that Mikail provides sustenance with the permission of Allah then the irony is totally lost on them. haha.
Because that is what Ahle Sunnah and Ahle Tashayyu say about the nature of providing help. And yet Wahhabis do takfir on them.
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Instead of selectively imposing their takfir, if followers of Ibn Wahhab follow the man properly then they would declare takfir on people even mentioning Prophet's name.
Because if HAMD can only for Allah ALONE (alHamdo liLLah) then Prophet's name can not be muHaMmaD and maHMuD.
Ibn Abdul Wahhab is not the first person to declare takfir on Muslims and allowing to wage jihad against them. There were earlier people who had declared takfir on Ali and Usman for the similar reasons. They also invoked Allah much like Wahhabi way.
One of their slogans was 'la hakm illallah'. Their reasons of declaration of takfir on Muslims is so similar to the present day Wahhabis that had they been in present day, they would have been Wahhabis.
History repeats itself.
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I can't believe you even suggest this. It is an attack on Rationality to someone even suggest that one is equating Ali with Allah. It shows that the main argument is completely lost.
But of course, it is always easy to answer a point concocted in one's own mind. * khud hi sawal banao, khud hi jawab do*. Very nice. :)
Peace khoji
So please express clearly the dogmatic difference between the Rights of Allah (SWT) and the Rights of His Chosen elect ... And how the difference is realised in our conduct and understanding.
Do you believe there is difference?
Re: You alone we worship and from You alone we seek help (and may we always)
It is not just about Shias and Barailvis, rather about ALL non-Wahhabi Muslims. Ottomans were not Barailvis on whom Wahhabi Najadis had imposed their takfir, and with whom they fought for being non-Muslims.
I don't about this aqeeda much, but I know that similar aqeeda is held by both them and followers of Ibn Wahhab. Allah has given powers of execution in universe to angels. According to Wahhabi aqeeda, they themselves commit shirk when they accept they Rizq (sustenance) is provided by an angel instead of Allah.
And if followers of Ibn Abdul Wahhab say that Mikail provides sustenance with the permission of Allah then the irony is totally lost on them. haha. Because that is what Ahle Sunnah and Ahle Tashayyu say about the nature of providing help. And yet Wahhabis do takfir on them.
Wrong.
Only shias, brelvis aka sufis outside subcontinent. Deobandi Hanafis, Malikis, Shafiis, Hanbalis do not hold this aqeeda.
Re: You alone we worship and from You alone we seek help (and may we always)
Sorry for the late reply, I was Banned from posting
watched 10. Its wrong what he is preaching.
Its not wrong according to Islam
You might have heard different and believed what you were told but this is Bayan of the Islamic position
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All example he is giving alive people asking from help each other.
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Yes because He is dismantling the lies of a different interpretation. First He demolishes their false interpretation with examples of 'alive' people (shirk is shirk no matter if the false deity is alive, dead or any other state)
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What he is going to suggest or already suggesting "ao'lia" the dead one is can help.
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Correct, He is going to suggest that if you watch more, with Islamic Proofs
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I say that make islam just like any other religion.
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Islam has some differences and some similarities with other religions
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Same human tendency in play, to find more tenable, more access able gods...
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Well Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala has made those close to Him, Helpers to The Believers. That is a Reality
If you want to call them 'more access able gods' then that is your Shirk (associating partners with Allah)
But this comment of yours does need further denouncement. Erm, if you still hold this position and I am not banned i will write for you something on this
Re: You alone we worship and from You alone we seek help (and may we always)
While explaining the acts of calling upon ghair u Allah, the two groups, shia and brelwi hazrat, dont mention their aqeeda that forms the basis of it. They believe that Allah has given powers of execution in universe to Ahle Bait and Awlia. Have heard and read brelvis in newspapers that Allah runs this universe through souls of Awlia.
Its not hidden as you suggest. The next video I intended to post covers it. I also read an article from a group which is moving away from these beliefs clearly stating something near Ijma of Ahlus Sunnah on the Subject. The article list a huge number of Ahlus Sunnah Ulema and who they personally thought was 'one' of the Awliya that you are referring to!
Wrong.
Only shias, brelvis aka sufis outside subcontinent. Deobandi Hanafis, Malikis, Shafiis, Hanbalis do not hold this aqeeda.
Wrong, brelvis (also known as Sufis outside Subcontinent) are followers of those Schools. You are looking at complete Ahlus Sunnah believing in it!