Yazid

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I don’t want this to turn into a Muawaiyah thread.

What is the deal with Yazid. We’ve heard the perspectives of Imam Hussain and Imam Hassan over and over again.

But what about Yazid - what were the atrocities he committed? What “version of Islam” did he put forth (read that in some other thread)? He was muslim, yet he was running around killing other muslims? I don’t get this idiot. Can someone explain what his deal was? Succintly, please.

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http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showthread.php?t=274954 check the article I posted in this thread. I hope it helps.

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Dear PCG...for seat...even today...the "democratic" leadesr kill others..what happened on 12 May,2007 in Karachi....and who ordered that....:)

for seat..even the momin like Auranzeb kiled his 2 brothers..and detained his own father...:)

whole human history is filleed...for power ..what people did....

still..its the question of history...did yazid himself ordred Hussain martyrdom...or Kufis..did that...to save theselves from Yazid..as they have written 18,000 letters ..to Hussain..and there was no way left for them to kill Hussain...otherwise Yazid would have killed those Kufis....burnt his tents....so that all letters were burnt......so

na rahai ga nbaans ..na bajai gee bansari...:)

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I have a different take on Yazid, as a completely inadequate ruler and weak person at heart who could not have done what he is attributed to: Something which quite frankly IMO is nothing but a concocted story based on earlier legends of the death of the innocent at the hands of a corrupt ruler: John, Jesus, Mithra etc.

Other than muslim tradition, there is a relatively sparse account of pre-Umayyad era, however, the time from the late 650s onwards seems to be reasonably documented. It is said that Yazid's accession was heavily opposed which begs the question, why. It does not take a rocket scientist to realize that heriditary accession is not the way of a muslim state, and the dominion comes with ability to rule fairly and properly (which by the way goes for the grandson of the Prophet as well).

Considering that the Umayyad rule was at its peak during his father's reign as "commander and elder of the faithful" (Amir-ul-Mu'mineen) Yazid's rise to power, and fall in three years, followed by rise of his son Mu'awiyah II, only to be thwarted down one year later is a definite trend here. The Islamic state is nobody's personal property nor is it a lineage based dominion, especially when ruled by those who are incapable of ruling.

The Root Cause of Lineage Based Rule
It is said that the time following the death of the third Amir of what I call the REAL Knights of the Round Table (Rashiduun Caliphate), is said to have been that of turmoil and uncertainty. The successor, Uthmaan seems to have favoured those of his close family in key administrative positions, which makes sense since he wanted to make sure he could trust the people he worked with. But this may have set the wrong precedent, and started a chain reaction for the worse if you catch my drift.

Accounts of Hun bin AbdurRahmaan from his Diary discovered in Spain (translated from Spanish in 1910)

Sometime between 13 and 26 Safar AH 100:
I am requesting Amir-ul-Momineen (Umar bin Abdul Aziz) to let us establish four army garrisons in Andalusia (Spain) just as Sayyedna Umar Farooq had established two new garrisons in Kufah and Basra. We are here to stay because people in this country love us. They feel liberated. There is total peace in our Emirah (Rule). Jews, Christians, Muslims, all live in harmony and without fear. There is no unrest of any kind, religious or otherwise.

Sometime between 26 Safar AH 100 and 17 Rajab, AH 100:
Just as the plots of the Magians (Zoroastrians) had created trouble in 'Iraq during the first few decades of Islam, similarly we face conspiracies xxx that erupt now and then. The reason is obvious. The local rich elite and the powerful leaders of the past hate social equity between people.

I understand that it is impossible to find people of the caliber of Ali, Hasan and Husain. They, as Emirs (governors), have truly made Iraq a paradise on earth (WHAT???). Ali and Husain (r. a.) sacrificed their lives in their noble offices as Emirs (WHAT???). The Magians had thought that by assassinating these two honorables, Iraq would xxx to the Farisis. But the sacred blood of Emir Ali and Emir Husain was not shed in vain. Ambassadors from the Center (prob. Damascus) and elsewhere report that in Al-Hijrah 100, Kufah, Basra, and xxx are even more peaceful and prosperous than Syria, Palestine and Egypt.

The above accounts are also supported by the works of Abdul Jabbar Qaramati in the Istanbul archives. In my opinion, the traditional accounts of the martyrdom of Hussain are fictional works of the likes of Tabari (who wrote his collection of "History" more than 200 years after the incident).

These three gentlemen (Ali, Hasan and Husain) worked towards establishing peace in the region they administered, with conviction and dedication, and are honourable in every respect. But to elevate them to the levels we have today, including the totally unrealistic accounts of the martyrdom of Husain, is totally uncalled for and crossing the bounds into what the Quran tells us not to do.

So you tell me... how does the story of being killed while serving as governers morph into an epic tale of voilent bloodshed in "the middle of nowhere"? Whether Yazid was involved is even more unlikely since he may have had his own problems at best...

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It has not been decisively established that Yazid himself killed or ordered the unfortunate killing of Sayyiduna Husain (Allah have mercy on him). There are some reports that he expressed his remorse on the actions of his associates.

It this is not established that Yazid died as a non-believer or he regarded the killing of Sayyiduna Husain (Allah be pleased with him) permissible and died without repentance.

If someone has irrefutable proof for those two points above please share them so that shias and sunnies can burry their hatchets forever and a 1400 years old controversy could be put to rest.

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All of you Yazeed's sympathizers please join me in Praying that may Allah place you by Yazeed's side on the day of judgment wherever he may be. I hope you as a muslim will be happy to be placed right next to your great Muslim leader Yazeed (N.B). If you have problem with this dua then there is something wrong with your views.

Are you going to deny the existence of prison in Yazeed's palace in Syria where Imam Husain's a.s daughter is buried and millions of muslims visit the palace and the prision.

Are you going to deny the khutba that Imam Husain's sister Janab e Zainab a.s addressed to Yazid in his palace while standing there without any hijab on her head? Read the khutba and you will realize the atrocities that Yazeed committed against the Prophet's pbuh family.

If you can deny above lines or even have doubts about it then you might as well have doubts about the existence of ALLAH too.

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^ And who says (and can prove) that this "khutba" and its deliverance is authentic? There are much more established norms in Islam that I consider fabricated... this one you speak of is quite an evident piece of the puzzle in fact.

BTW: Nobody here is sympathyzing with Yazid in reality (and shouldn't either)...

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Bibi Zainab's a.s sermon in Yazeed's palace.

After she saw Yazid disrespecting the head of her brother (as) with a cane. She stood and said:

"God says, and He says the truth, the end of miscreants will be awful, those who belied the signs of God and mocked them. Oh Yazid, do you feel that you have made our life miserable and existence impossible? And you think that God has dishonored us and that you have been honoured and elevated? This apparent success of yours is the result of grandeur of your might and lofty status for which you are proud…. You feel that you have conquered the whole world and your affairs are organised and that our domain is now under you control…
Wait! Wait! Let not your ignorance make you so elated for have you not heard God's words - Let not those who disbelieve think that our giving them respite is good for themselves. We only give respite to them so that they may increase in sins and for them is a disgraceful chastisement. (3:177)
Oh you the son of freed slaves! Is this your justice that the ladies of your house remain veiled and we the Prophet's daughters should be paraded from place to place? You have thus insulted our dignity….
Oh Yazid! Your misdeed has proved your rebellion against God…. And this action of yours comes as no surprise from a person whose ancestors chewed the liver of such saintly martyrs. The descendants of such enemies of God should naturally be the most deadly!

Oh Yazid! You are happily disrespecting the teeth of Husain even though it was the place of kissing for the Holy Prophet!

Oh Yazid! You did what you wished, but remember that you have cut your own skin, In the near future you will be taken in the presence of the Holy Prophet. On that occasion you will be burdened with the sins of the misdeed committed by you shedding the blood of his progeny and dishonouring the sanctity of his family.

Oh Yazid! It does not befit you to get inflated with joy after slaying the Prophet's progeny and reckon not those slain in the way of God to be dead: nay! Alive they are with their Lord, being sustained, rejoicing in what God has granted them" (2:168)
Oh Yazid! Feel not elated with our defeat, for you will have to pay the penalty of it on the day when you will be rewarded for your misdeeds. God is not unjust to anyone. We trust in Him. He is our place of refuge. In Him we seek sanctity and with Him rest our hopes!
You can never reach the level of our lofty position, nor can you destroy our remembrances, nor can you wipe out the ignominy you have earned for yourself by your abominable and vile performance. Your decisions are poor and your days are numbered. Your party will disperse the day when the Announcer will announce –
'GOD'S CURSE BE ON TYRANTS AND TRANSGRESSORS'.

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^ Please read my post again... emotional antics are just fast food with 0 nutritional value.

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keep your emotions under check friends :flower1:

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Stop worrying yazid must had called them "terrorists"
before killing them.

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hypnotix:
you did not enlighten us with your reason why Bibi Sakina Imam Husain's daughter's grave is in yazeed's prison till this day.

Google sunni reference on how yazeed l.a ordered slaughter of muslims in madina including prophet's pbuh companions.
you can also google sunni reference re yazid was homo, drunkard and zalim etc.

in essence you can only be either with Imam Husain a.s or against Imam Husain a.s there is no position in between. either be Husaini or yazeedi. take your pick but please read your books before that.

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deleted on very good advise by Das Reich in his post...

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It doesn't matter if this hypnotix kid doesn't approve of history, my friend. Its in our ahl sunnah books as well, and its well documented that yazid was infact a giant moron, and killed so many of our own Prophets family.

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you are igniting [unintentionally I am sure] a big fitna with this thread
there are 2 common views
1-commonly held shia version off karbala which progressively got exaggeratted the more it was narrated a trend which even some shia ulema criticized] which in reality little to do with tabari's original version of the event

2- a revisionist view [read ummayyad apologist's view] which attempted to clear the ummayyads of all charges and lay the blame on kufans [which is a very diverse term]

and Ali[as] and his sons as ummayyad governers? lol
let us see what the authenticity of this "discovered" diary is which challenges the commonly agreed facts by all historians whether it is tabari, baladuri, ibn hajar, ibn atheer etc
also plz tell me which magian assainated Ali[as] ?

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:)

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Bro, I was trying to answer the question and not start a fitna... the last thing I would want is that. The problem is, many people take things emotionally (e.g MAKRANI) when they really should cool down: If they find something unacceptable, then either explore it properly (the right thing to do) or ignaore it (an alternative means of avoiding a meaningless confrontation or fitna as you called it).

Are these outdated ??
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^ bro I was refering to PCG's original question not to you

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^ got it :) thanks.

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Do people in poor, third world countries not get taught proper English? Why cant you type like an educated human being?