~! Yazid? Was he really what they make him out to be?

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Re: ~! Yazid? Was he really what they make him out to be?

@ravage

couple of points.

The whole tone of this thread is disengenuous. This post
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showpost.php?p=4467668&postcount=32 was
your point of view before you started it in the name of getting information. But it is easier to get people to respond to queries than advocacy, thus the pretence of innocuous investigation and the whole “im just asking” tone.

To take the high moral ground and say that you dont “curse” Yazid because hes still a Muslim who committed a sin, is the same logic as not “cursing” Salman Rushdie, or not “cursing” Irshad Manji, or not “cursing” Ibn Saba. If your objection is merely the “cursing” then you can condemn people without using street language.

What reward would you get from “cursing” Salman Rushdi?

What is the definition of Kufr? There are two things that put someone outside the fold of islam.

1. Committing shirk (or anything related to it)
2. Making something halal - correct or right. (Which is already condemned as haraam)

Salman Rushdie and Irshad Manji are not muslims, becuase they’ve obviously done the above mentione 2 (or either one).

I still wouldn’t curse them. Because Allah knows their state better. Prophet pbuh didn’t teach us to curse and hate people…thats something we developed on our own.

Secondly, I did start of knowing nothing, then ivestigated, and i’ve concluded on that post you just quoted. I agree with everything in that post.

I’ve read shia texts on it, and i’ve read sunni texts , and even texts from nonmuslims.

and i’ve concluded it on that basis. Shia texts do get a lil exxagerated tho… some stuff just doesn’t seem to compile up… sorry. for me anyways.

Yazid was a Muslim, and we have no clear evidence of his act in killing hussein r.a. and his family. And assuminghe did kill them, its a grave sin, and Allah will punish him for that, it still doesn’t give us rights to writing qasidas about his tyranny, and cursing him day and night.

Because Allah knows best.