~! Yazid? Was he really what they make him out to be?

Im a firm believer of the Companions, and I have faith in the judgement of the companions, because they were the ones close to the Prophet pbuh.

But was Yazid really the “evil” person that sources make him out to be?

From my childhood, all my ustaads have told me the story of karbala, and always said that Yazid allegedly killed Husayn r.a.'s band of men. But from where does this source arrive?

I really want to investigate this, and I came here to get some information.

Lets keep it clean and factual please.

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Yazeed did not martyrd Imam Hussain:razi:

It was his commander Ibn-e-Ziyad who carried out the henious act where as Yazeed’s orders were explicit not to kill but capture every one…

But of course, Shia books will tell you othewise :slight_smile:

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^ and what did he do with ibn-e-zeyad after knowing that he had not followed the orders????
what was ibn-e-zeyad's fate????

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Kinda unrelated but Yazid was also a distant cousin of Imam Husein and Hasan from what I know. Not many people know that. I believe that the great great grandfathers were siblings I have to dig up the book which had that info.

their families meet long back at ummayyah and hashim, uncle and nephew, i guess....
and from their enemity emerged banu umayyah and banu hashim....
but calling them cousins after so many generations is a bit crude i think....

hussain - ali - abu talib - abdul mutalib - hashim
yazid - muaweyah - abu sufyan - harb - umayyah - abd-us-shams

abd-ush-shams and hashim were brothers....

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use kinsman,. tribesman or whatever suits your fancy. but that would indicate less of a connection than is present.

it depends on your definition of cousins, there are terms such as second third and even fourth cousins, and thus is not a crude term. I would have used 3rd or fourth cousin had I know exacrly how far removed they were, but since I did not quite know thatI used the generic term cousins, which to desis means phuppo ka baita type of thing which its not

it is also narrated that abu sufyan resembled the prophet quite a bit as well.

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bhai meray, they were both qureyshis, and in that case all the qureysh were related....
whats the big deal in that....

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armughal and u do realie that the power struggle between teh two families was preset since before the message of islam? in some ways I wonder if it was the same family rivalry that contiuned and ended in the tragic events at karbala rather than the religious conspiracy people sometimes show it to be.

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bhai meray, and some qureysh were closer relatives than others. here they were only a few generations removed

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ofcourse it was....
it was the same rivalry too when banu abbas took over the rule from banu umayyah....

one of the reasons why uthman (ra) was killed was also cuz he was accused of favoring banu umayyah (uthman was also from banu umayyah)....

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ok, so yazid and hussain (ra) had the same great great great great grandfather, if it pleases u…

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well actually just great great grand father.
the grandfathers of their grandfathers were brothers.
you got a few extra greats in there :slight_smile:

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hussain's grandfather was abu talib, whose grandfather was hashim....

yazid's grandfather was abu-sufyan, whose grandfather was umayyah....

umayyah's father, was the brother of hashim....

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there were two types of Quresh tho, "inner Quraish" who were the rulers of the meccan tribes, and masters of the trade route, (wealthy merchants)
and the "outer Quraish" who were cast out byt th einner quraish and lived in poverty on the outskirts of mecca.

Interesting info, on yazid..

from what i know its wrong to curse him, because you cannot curse a believer when there isn't any evidence.

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so, the prisons of his court in syria where there are remnants of imam hussain's relatives being imprisoned including his daughter's grave, was that ibn e ziyad too?

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^ really i'd like to see these "remnants"...and facts supporting this.

I thought they were all "massacered" at karbala?

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the women and children were not "massacred", they were captured and marched through cities and eventually to the court of yazid and imprisoned.

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^ well first of all prisoners of war were part of wars.

Secondly, i was looking for sources....

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^ and my question remains, what action did he take againt ibn-e-zeyad????