Re: "Ya-Rasulullah"
How or why would he be shaheed? He died a natural death.
Re: "Ya-Rasulullah"
How or why would he be shaheed? He died a natural death.
Re: “Ya-Rasulullah”
The absence of some tradition on a particular subject is not the proof of it being haraam.
So something which has NOT been addressed by Quran and hadith, is obviously halaal.
People are saying that saying ‘Ya rasool’ makes a peson mushrik, and shirk is the biggest crime in the eyes of Allah. Well, if it is THAT serious a business then why did Allah and His prophet specifically mention not to call ‘Ya rasool’ after his death?
Re: "Ya-Rasulullah"
^ because its clearly forbidden in Quran to call upon anyone else other than Allah....
anf if there was an exception, it wud have been mentioned....
since there is no such mention in a verse or tradition, hence we say that saying ya ghous, ya peer, ya ali, ya rasul, etc etc r all not allowed....
Re: "Ya-Rasulullah"
Jihad e akbar? if the Prophet (saw) isnt a shaheed, then no one is. His whole life was a struggle for Islam.
Re: "Ya-Rasulullah"
what u read in prayer is not ur own words but rather a recitation of revealed words.... just like when u read Quran there r verses which command the prophet (saw) to do certain things, it does not mean that u can also command the prophet (saw) because u read so every day in the Quran....
so in salah, you send salam to the Prophet (saw) everyday, but you dont relly mean it right?
Re: "Ya-Rasulullah"
^ i mean it, dont know about u....
Re: "Ya-Rasulullah"
Oh you do? But according to you the Prophet (saw) doesnt hear it?
Also Ayyuhannabiyu is allowed in salah but not otherwise. so thats 5 times a day its ok to say but say it normally and it makes you a mushrik. i.e out of the folds of Islam.
wow.
Re: "Ya-Rasulullah"
I'm not quite familiar with Jihad-e-Akbar. To the best of my knowledge, Prophet Muhammad (SAW) died a natural death.
armughal bhai, could you shed some light on this please?
Re: “Ya-Rasulullah”
righto!
how could a prophet be cosidered dead while some of the muslims are alive (shaheed)? Does’t that make them superior to Rasulullah ![]()
Shaheed is anyone who fight for allah be it through sword, writtings, speeches or islamic teachings.
Also, why scholars of that era didn’t removed Ayyuhannabiyu from namaz if it was wrong?? Clearly, it means they all were comfortable with that and thus had belief that Rasulullah is alive and can listen to us.
Re: “Ya-Rasulullah”
Atashahhud (Attahiyaat-o-Lillah-e-Wasallawat…) was revealed during the journey of the Holy Prophet :saw: of Isra and Mairaj…
When the Holy Prophet :saw: entered the place where the meeting between Allah :swt: and the Holy Prophet :saw: was to take place, the Holy Prophet :saw: uttered, Attahiyat-o-Lillah-e-Wasallawat–o-Wattayabat- (Meaning Greetings Oh Allah, and prayers and all good things…) To which Allah :swt: replied, Asalam-o-Alaika Ya Ayuhan Nabiyyu, Warahmatullah-e-Wabarakatohu (Meaning Peace be upon you O Prophet and blessings and mercy of Allah be upon you…)
This case happened in Isra and Miraj and were the words of Allah :swt: when the Holy Prophet (saw) was alive…He is not alive now and hence we cannot use the word ‘Ya’…
Re: “Ya-Rasulullah”
Following is what I could find. From what I can gather Prophet Muhammad (SAW) and other prophets with the exception of Isa (AS) are all deceased. At least they no longer exist in this world or deal with the affairs of the present world. May Allah (SWT) forgive me if I’m wrong.
Ref: Is the Prophet peace and blessings of Allaah alive and present on the earth at this time?*
Re: “Ya-Rasulullah”
Obviously you have mistakenly overlooked the following ayah:
*Muhammad is but a messenger, messengers (the like of whom) have passed away before him. **Will it be that when he died *or is slain, ye will turn back on your heels? He who turneth back doth not hurt Allah, and Allah will reward the thankful. [Surah Aali-'Imraan 144]
And then read the following from the seerah of the Prophet (saw) and see how Hz. Abu Bakr (ra) witnessed that the Prophet (saw) had died.
*A man of determination and courage was needed at this difficult hour. And, this man was Abu Bakr (radiallahu 'anhu), the most senior of the Prophets companions, who had been picked out by God to take over the inheritance of the Prophet (peace be upon him) with a firm hand. When the news reached him, he hurried back from his house.
For a moment he stopped at the door of the mosque where Umar (radiallahu 'anhu) was resolutely speaking to the people. Without paying heed to any body he proceeded to Aishas (May Allah be pleased with her) room where the dead body of the Prophet (peace be upon him) lay covered with a mantle. He uncovered the Prophet’s (peace be upon him) face and kissed him.
Then, he proceeded to say My father and mother be your ransom. You have tasted the death God had decreed for you, a second death will never overtake you. Replacing the mantle on the Prophet’s (peace be upon him) face, he then went out to the Mosque. Umar (radiallahu 'anhu) was still making a harangue to the people, so he said gently, Umar, keep quite. But Umar (radiallahu 'anhu) was too excited to listen to Abu Bakr (radiallahu 'anhu).
Now, Abu Bakr (radiallahu 'anhu) realized that Umar (radiallahu 'anhu) was not in a mood to terminate his speech. So he stepped forward and called out the people, whereupon they came round him leaving Umar (radiallahu 'anhu). Abu Bakr (radiallahu 'anhu) praised God and then said:
O Men, if anyone worship Muhammad, let him know that Muhammad is dead. But if anyone worships God, then God is alive and He dies not.
Then continuing his speech he recited the Quranic verse:
Muhammad is but a messenger, messengers (the like of whom) have passed away before him. Will it be that, when he dieth or is slain, ye will turn back on your heels? He who turneth back doth no hurt to Allah, and Allah will reward the thankful. - [Surah Aali-'Imraan 144]
All those persons who were present on the occasion later on stated on oath that when Abu Bakr (radiallahu 'anhu) recited the verse, it seemed as if it had just been revealed. Umar (radiallahu 'anhu) said: When I heard Abu Bakr reciting the verse, I was taken aback and fell down as if I did not have a leg to stand on. I felt as if I had then come to know of the Prophets death. *
http://www.pbuh.us/prophetMuhammad.php?f=Md_EternalRest
Also ponder over the following ayah, tell me if it makes an exception for the Prophet Muhammad (saw).
Every soul must taste of death and We try you by evil and good by way of probation; and to Us you shall be brought back. 21:35
If you claim that Rasool did not die, then tell me why the Companions (raa) buried him?
Do you claim that the Companions interred him alive? ![]()
Please refer to the Quran again and see that it clearly states that the rank of the Prophets and the siddiqin is above that of the shuhadah (Martyrs). So how can you claim that it can mean the Shuhadah are superior to Rasool Allah (saw)?
They are all alive in the realm of Barzaq but not in this world.
Re: “Ya-Rasulullah”
had u bothered to go thru my posts in the thread u wud not have come up with such words…
u really r not making sense here…
Re: “Ya-Rasulullah”
Bro, if you think i don’t know all this then you are seriously mistaken.
Shaheed, did get killled then why allah said something like mafhoom “don’t call them dead they are alive”.
Explaination plz?
Re: "Ya-Rasulullah"
Prophet Muhammad (SAW) is deceased for the folks of this world. He (SAW) is likely alive in his grave and Allahu aalim. However, that does not mean a Muslim should use him an in intermediary to make duaa.
Re: "Ya-Rasulullah"
^what basis does your last line have?
Re: “Ya-Rasulullah”
ravage, from what I’ve read and understood so far, we have to ask Allah (SWT) directly for whatever it is that we need, wish, and desire. There’s none who can answer our invocations and supplications, save Allah (SWT) Alone.
The intercession of Prophet Muhammad (SAW) will be available for the righteous Muslims (or perhaps the Muslim Ummah in general) on the Day of Resurrection. However, we aren’t allowed to make duaa via Muhammad (SAW) at the moment or anyone else for that matter.
I know I’ve read more and have had more evidence in the past, but here’s what I’ve got at the moment.
Ref: Saying “Yaa Rasool Allaah”**
Re: “Ya-Rasulullah”
honestly that is just too much information. I would rather just address the last sentence, since that reply doesnt take into account the context of this discussion. Unless you can do me the favour of parsing through all that to find the part that specifically addresses this point.
You say you believe the Prophet is probably alive in his grave. I can show you sahih ahadith to the extent that sahabis asked the Prophet to pray for them and he did infact pray for them if you wish. Please dont make me do that, take me on my word, Im feeling extremely lazy! I promise I’ll post those when I get the time. The usual sunni answer to that is that that was okay since he was alive, but not so okay now that hes dead. Assuming sahih ahadith exist for the Prophet praying for others during the time he was physically present with Muslims, what is the objection on Muslims seeking his intercession now that he is in the grave (yet still alive in some way)?
Above all, why is it Shirk
Re: "Ya-Rasulullah"
ravage, yes, sahaba did ask Prophet Muhammad (SAW) to make duaa for them. I'm not too familiar with the technicalities here. Therefore, I won't go into detail of explaining how what they did was right and what they abstained from was good as well.
Prophet Muhammad (SAW) for me is deceased and is no longer part of this world. Therefore, I do not make duaa through him (SAW) or anyone else for that matter. I only make duaa to Allah (SWT) directly.
I understand how you're short on time and have other things to do and I'm more or less in the same boat. Hence, the reason I don't wish to go into too much of detail.
As for pulling out material from sahih ahadith, you don't have to, as I take your word for it.
As for how it could be shirk. Duaa is a form of worship. Asking anyone for help other than Allah (SWT) in the form of duaa, I believe equates to shirk. Perhaps someone else can correct and enlighten me here.
Lastly, like I stated earlier, I've read material more relevant to your question. However, due to the shortage of time I don't think I'll be able to locate it right away.
Re: "Ya-Rasulullah"
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ravage, yes, sahaba did ask Prophet Muhammad (SAW) to make duaa for them. I'm not too familiar with the technicalities here. Therefore, I won't go into detail of explaining how what they did was right and what they abstained from was good as well.
As for how it could be shirk. Duaa is a form of worship. Asking anyone for help other than Allah (SWT) in the form of duaa, I believe equates to shirk. Perhaps someone else can correct and enlighten me here.
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Thanku for not making me google it!
Do not reduce it to a question of the Sahabies asking for intercession and the rest of the people after them "asking for help other than Allah", because that is really couching the debate in terms that are easy for you, and not really reflective of the stances of the people you are talking to.
Notwithstanding the sources more relevant to my query, going on what you actually have said, so as long as the motive of the people who include rasoolallah in their duas is the same as that of the sahabies i.e. Intercession, it can only be a question of disagreement over whether or not a Prophet who is still alive in his grave can listen to people and intercede on their behalf or not. NOT shirk.