Ya Ali madad

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-we are Muslim. We dont believe in sects .
-We believe in 5 pillars of islam
-5 times of prayers.
-we believe that Allah powers belongs to Allah and no one can give anything xpect Allah .
-Muhammad s.a.w.w is the last prophit of Allah and we follow the sunnah ..
-we read Quran daily and perform namaz and observe fasts of 3o days
-we blv that all sahaba are respectful and good eg for Muslims..
-La ilaha illallah Muhammadur rasool Allah is our kalima ..
-we have pure blv on doomsday .
Anymore questions regarding me and my husband ?

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Vroom, I dont want to leave u to ur ignorance.
My friend, if u open qurran n read all the duas of Prophets from Zakria To Muhammad (PBUH), u wil never find that, any Prophet inserted other Prophet in his dua (wasilaa).
If u ask for help, tell me, who wil hear u first, Ali or ALLAH ?
The Musrkeen of Makkah , used to believ that ALLAH has created the earth n heaven, but when it comes to worhip, they used to pray to stones n use them as a link between them n ALLAH. So ALLAH sen Muhammad (PBUH) to obolish this shrik n to tel them to cal ALLAH directly as QURRAN says a billion places.
What about christanz? They believe that ALLAH created everythng but when they worship, they ask JESIS for help. Then why do u you guys call christanz Mushrik ? When u do the same. What do u tel a christan, when u wana convert him to Islam? Do u say "call JeSIS for help" or replace the word jesis with one Ali or sheik Qadar jelani " ? Same argument goes for thoso who like to go to graves of Peer faker. Peer fakirz can nt do anythng. ALL POWERZ BELONG TO ALLAH.
(Wasilaay ka concept Topi drama ha)

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you are exactly right.
You got me wrong. By wasila i didnt mean k nauzubillah hazrat Ali a.s or any other is going to help or give us anything.

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^I explained it for varoom. I know, u asked this question as a student, and u wanted to know the reality.. So dont u worry. Ma nay aap ko kuch nhe bola, @ sayniya rajpot

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ji , maine sirf apna statement clear kia tha .

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Respected sister **Saniya Rajput ** :salam2:

I agree with you that Muslims have one standard greeting for each other which has been recommended in the Blessed Quran and the Noble ahadith.

One of the beauty of Ummah is that when Muslims meet each other, no matter where in the world they are from, even if they don’t speak any common language between themselves, or have completely different cultural background or status in life, one thing is common – They great each other with “Assalama Alaykum”

  • This is beautiful greeting and at the same time Dua for each other!

Allah Almighty commands the Believers in the Blessed Qur’an:

“When a greeting is offered you, answer it with an even better greeting, or (at least) with its like. Allah keeps count of all things.” [Surah an-Nur; 4: 86]

When those come to thee who believe in Our signs, Say: "Peace be on you: Your Lord hath inscribed for Himself (the rule of) mercy: verily, if any of you did evil in ignorance, and thereafter repented, and amend (his conduct), lo! He is Oft- forgiving, Most Merciful. **[Al-An’am; (The Cattle) 6:54] **

Waitha jaaka allatheena yuminoona biayatina faqul salamun AAalaykum kataba rabbukum AAala nafsihi alrrahmata annahu man AAamila minkum sooan bijahalatin thumma taba min baAAdihi waaslaha faannahu ghafoorun raheemun [Al-An’am (The Cattle) [6:54] - (Transliteration)]

Narrated Abu Huraira,( r.a) The Prophet said, "*Allah created Adam, making him 60 cubits tall. When He created him, He said to him, “Go and greet that group of angels, and listen to their reply, for it will be your greeting (salutation) and the greeting (salutation) of your offspring.” So, Adam said (to the angels), As-Salamu Alaikum (i.e. Peace be upon you).

The angels said, “As-salamu Alaika wa Rahmatu-l-lahi” (i.e. Peace and Allah’s Mercy be upon you). Thus the angels added to Adam’s salutation the expression, ‘Wa Rahmatu-l-lahi.’ Any person who will enter Paradise will resemble Adam (in appearance and figure). People have been decreasing in stature since Adam’s creation*.** Sahih Bukhari 4.543 **

Narrated Abu Hurayrah:* The Messenger of Allah, observed: You shall not enter paradise so long as you do not affirm belief (in all those things which are the articles of faith) and you will not believe as long as you do not love one another. Should I not direct you to a thing which, if you do, will foster love amongst you: (i.e.) give currency to (the practice of paying salutation to one another by saying) as-salamu alaykum.* Sahih Muslim 96

Following Hadith. Umar (radiAllahu anhu) reports that he was riding with Abu Bakr (radiAllahu anhu) on one mount. When they passed by people, Abu Bakr (radiAllahu anhu) greeted them saying: ‘Assalamu alaikum’ and they replied: ‘Wa alaikum assalam wa rahmatu Allah.’ Or he may greet them saying: ‘Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatu Allah,’ for which their reply was: ‘Wa alaikum assalam wa rahmatu Allah wa barakatuh.’ Abu Bakr (radiAllahu anhu) commented: “Today, people have gained much more than us.”** [Sahih al-Bukhari in Al-Adab Al-Mufrad]**

It was reported that Abu Hurayrah said “When one of you joins a gathering, let him say salaam. When he wants to get up and leave, let him say salaam. The former is not more important than the latter.”** (Hasan hadith reported in Jāmi` al-Tirmidhi)**

Yet there are some who will opt for other greetings than the above – then there are others who will endorse others’ greetings as if they are recommended by the Blessed Quran or the Noble Sunnah!

Let it be. Each to what he loves

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wa.alaikum.assalam w.w.h sweet brother ibn Sidique

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Asking from the inhabitants of the Graves is also a practice of this Ummah in its entirety. Inhabitants of the Grave are given a Mobile to hear us, its the same with some whose grave one is not at. Its just a longer distance call.
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Very interesting.

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Allah Most Merciful is closer to us then our Jugular vein and knows what we conceal, however the same is not true in reverse. ie we are not close to Allah The Only One. we have differing degrees of closeness or alternatively Allah All Powerful may test us to see how keen we are for his help. For example the waseela of intercession will come after we have been tossed into hell (<Allah The Just has already put you into Hell). Then what will save some of us? The Waseela, the means of approach

For this purpose, or another reason, out of Mercy Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala has allowed for us to use fellow creation as a means of approach to Him, and has made creation as helpers to us on the earth, and elsewhere

Ya Ali Madad in terms of it being shirk or not is the same as saying Ya Chicken Biryani pass me a pen. With incorrect aqeedah both statements are Shirk, and with correct aqeedah both are permissible, not Shirk

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We were never encouraged to find waseela's to make dua's or salam. If that was the case , Prophet Muhammad SAW would have given us a clear example of waseela for dua but no, we were encouraged to ask Allah for all help , when invoking divine help.
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We are encouraged to become Slaves of Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala (close to Him) but we have needs. We can make direct duas or take a variety of means of approach including fellow beings. It is not shirk to do so

We make direct Salam to those creation we are offering Salams for. It is said to Creation but given Barkat and acceptence by Allahu Akbar

Now you say we are not encouraged to take Wasdeelas, and I know what you mean by Waseelas here. That's not actually true

I have already mentioned two above 'Wa Muhammadah' and 'ainooni Ya IbadAllah'. IbadAllah also includes passed away Muslims!

and I'll add 'Ya RasoolAllah I turn to Allah through you'

All the above are 'not shirk' according Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jamaah

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Anyways , to each their own, we cant change people's faith. Only Allah shows the light to the one's He chooses. May Allah guide us all.
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If you think Ya Ali Madad is shirk in all cases and incidences the above examples will also have to be shirk according to you. so you are not upon what Islam (ASWJ) is upon and your tawheed is more tawheedi then what Islam gave you. Like you say nobody changes once they have been indoctrined (I did but) I will request you to put deeper thought into your beliefs.

You said 'divine help' as if there is another form of help, from a matter of agreed upon Aqeedah I do believe both good and bad is from Allah All Powerful. this is a differentiating factor between shirk and Tawheed who the actual help is coming from. For example we can say the creation helps me, or the angels help me (real help from Allah Most Merciful) but if you believe there is equal or smaller gods besides Allah The Only One, then that would be shirk

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I am not aware of ‘All’ the duas but it’s not surprising what you say since Prophets are close to Allah The Hidden One, but I will reply that Allah The Giver has made The Prophets a waseela for the people to Him.

Allah Subhanahu will hear you, Ali RadiAllahu Anhu may not

Worship to other then Allah The Pure One is shirk, then they called unto their gods as well. Allah Subhanahu wa Ta’ala sent The Prophet SallAllahu Alaihi wa Alihi wa Sallam to abolish association of partners with Allah The One not to stop making partners with ourselves in requesting from Allah The Best of Providers

Christians believe ISA Alaihis Salam is god, they are mushriks. If they just wanted some help from Him, like we will do one day, then that is not a problem Islam has. That’s why Allah Subhanahu wa Ta’ala made ISA Alaihis Salam create creation with his hands and blow into it. As long as its believed to be coming from Allah The One then it is not a problem, as this is faith. Otherwise Allah Subhanahu wa Ta’ala Gives great virtues and stations that we can awe.

the mushrikeen say things like ‘they are our intercessors’ but so do we http://www.paklinks.com/gs/religion-and-scripture/638844-shafee-kon-kon-qiamat-kay-din-shafaat-karay-ga.html

The difference is in the belief behind it

the rejection of these concepts by so called muslims is a project into rejection (kufr) and a form of islam which conforms to modern rationalism. Modern Rationalism is for athiests. In Islam everything from belief in science to heights in belief of the unseen are permissible and encouraged.

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Actually, if you call 911 then police will probably hear you first. ;)

Allah's intervention is never direct.
He sent PROPHETS to propagate his message. He did not come Himself.
He uses ANGELS to do jobs like providing sustenance or taking away lives. He does not do it Himself.

Same goes with Help.

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and how to interpret

إِيَّاكَ نَعۡبُدُ وَإِيَّاكَ نَسۡتَعِينُ

Waisay may be , all the ahlesunnah who think that they can ask directly from ALLAH are positioned higher in organisational hierarchy of the duniya. Direct Access :)

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Assalam-o-Alaikum!

The people who have left this world cannot help with our wordly affairs. Their help is the example set by them in their lifetime. There is a curtain between this world and the other so they can't have direct contact with us. People often say "look shaheeds, prophets etc. are alive". ok but Allah has also said that their 'life' is above our understanding so how can one assume that they can hear us and forward our requests and prayers to Allah ?

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There is a king, his vizier, the vizier's squire, a peasant and the king's close servant ...

The vizier asks from the king
The vizier's squire asks the squire's permission to ask from the king or may ask from the king directly

A peasant asks from the vizier's squire who puts him in touch with the vizier - who in some cases can grant him things in other cases need to refer him the king.
The king's close servant doesn't ask the king for personal gain but asks how he can please the king ... although lowest in rank he is highest in proximity to the king ... and all from peasant to vizier must respect the servant of the king, although they may each have more authority than him to do as they wish ...

Nothing is stopping people from asking from the king ... but there are two lessons in this ... we should be trying our hardest to ask for those things from God directly that will ultimately raise our proximity with Him ... Also, we don't ask from those who cannot grant us what we want or need, but there is no harm in asking them for help in your asking from God ...

To say "it is only You we ask for help" hence it must mean in terms of guidance we ask for help from no else, rather we ask other things of others knowing that they are merely executing the Will of God by the Permission of God with no power of their own to do so.

The caution in asking for help from Sayyiduna Ali (RA) is that the request is not qualified as being one that is suitable ... if people are not told then they may ask in a way that breaches the Fatihah.

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It is an old trick by followers of ibn Wahhab to use the word Ahle Sunnah for themselves. :slight_smile: Just like ASWJ!
Ahle Sunnah do use Ya Ali Madad, al-Madad Ya Ghous.
Read this fatwa from Ahle Sunnah: کیا یا علی مدد اور المدد یا غوث الاعظم کہنا جائز ہے؟ - فتویٰ آن لائن

It is just your assumption that you have direct access to Allah. As far as we know, Allah uses waseela all the time. Even when Allah says that He takes away life, we know that it is actually an angel doing it on Allah’s behalf.
Same goes for ‘iyyaka naabudo…’ and ‘Ya Ali Madad’ and ‘al-Madad ya Ghous’.

The ultimate help is from Allah. But waseela could be Allah’s creation. Like your boss, for example.

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What do you believe

Can ALLAH help us without waseela? and what is the exact role of waseela, getting thing approved? meaning they have some sort of life/connection with world.

And you know what, we are THE BOSS. :slight_smile:

I will not discussing this useless topic any more unless there is a need/valid questions.

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Peace khoji

You have it the other way round ... We ask Allah (SWT) for help and He grants it through His emissaries ... We merely ask His emissaries to help us ask from Him ... In reality no one does anything ... It is He who is helping and no one else ... So we ask from other with the knowledge that Allah (SWT) listens to the direct prayers of His friends ... So a direct request is being done to Him and we never think that His emissaries in themselves are capable of providing anything except it is done by Allah (SWT) with the apparent nature of it being done at their hands ...

It is not their hand but the Hand of Allah (SWT) ...

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So Allah doesn't entertain requests from ordinary humans?

Waha be sifarish chalay gi sirf? :(

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Of course ... How can we say He does not?

But rather it is about adab and sincerity ... How can we ask from Him when we have not been doing our obligations? The only thing a weak person and sinner like me should ask from Him is to be steadfast in good ... To have Tawfiq in consistency of ibadah ... Allah (SWT) is to us how we are to Him ... It would be a wise move to use one His good servants to plead on our behalf ... It is not to say that we can't ask directly ... But even then we are advised to supplicate with durood ... Before asking ... The durood itself behaves like waseelah ...

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Now, his good servants, do they hear our duaa and pleas? and then pass them onwards?