Ya Ali madad

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WHY do people use Ya Ali madad instead of ASSALAM.O.ALAIKUM W.R.W?

Does islam teach us Ya Ali madad in Quran or Sunnah?

Has Hazrat Ali a.s ever used this Ya Ali Madad instead of Salam ? Any ref ?

In Sunnah there are many AHADEES regarding Salam but i never read Ya Ali Madad ever .. If it is prove it ..

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If people are using it as a greeting then I guess that would be a particular sect, I am not aware of any greeting which is like that from the Quran and Sunnah, or from Ahlus Sunnah

However aligning oneself with Ali RadiAllahu Anhu is a good thing and an essential thing. Ya Ali Madad can be used as an expression to fondly highlight the power, that was granted, to Ali RadiAllahu Anhu, and as a cry to gain power from Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala

There is potential misuse of the words as well by people outside the fold of Islam, but that is not worth thinking about

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We should not use "Ya ali madad". We should ask ALLAH for help. HE is the Only one, who helps us. Infact, Using "Ya Ali Mada " is sheeraak.

Hazrat Ali (R.A) was a Sahaabi, and human, nothing more than that. All powerz belong to ALLAH. He is the only one who grant us power. People who use this sentence "YA ALI MADAM", are on wrong track. You will never find "ya ali madad " kind of stuff in QURRAN n HADEES. Hazrat ali (R.A) can not do anything, he is dead. Even he asked ALLAH for help.
Thats y, Ask ALLAH for help. Thats it

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I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone use that as a greeting :konfused:

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Ya Ali Madad is the greeting used by Ismailis to acknowledge one another. In their tradition, they call upon their Hazir Imam, whom they believe is the extension of Hazrat Ali, through this lineage, to help them in all things.

OP, if you're trying to argue this point with an Ismaili, it's best to just let it go. Ismailis believe that as Ali is one of the exalted names of Allah, their greeting is asking for Allah's help in all things. They have their beliefs, you have yours. When an Ismaili greets me with "Ya Ali Madad" I answer with "Walaikum As Salam".

It's as simple as that.

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Some people don't have your beliefs. Leave them alone.

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I disagree with what some posters above said regards the use of term " Ya Ali Madad" . Its very clear in Islam that there is no space for any form of Shirk. Asking anyone for divine help, other then Allah SWA is but shirk and we must refrain from this.

No matter what explanation any sect or person gives for the use of such term, its clear that they are either not following Allah's message or have gravely misunderstood the message and the Sunnah.

Our opinion has nothing to with this, Salam is a very basic and a simple sunnah to follow. As is asking for help from Allah. Muslims dont have to complicate these two simple acts by adding shirk to it and then finding excuses to justify it.

Peace to everyone , May Allah guide us all.

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That's not actually a correct understanding. It's a very easy and comfortable position but it does not match the basis of what we base our religious doctrines upon - (Quran and Sunnah)

Whilst its true that only Allah All Mighty can help, traditional sunnis like our buzurgs like Shah WaliUllah Muhaddith (Reh) have been said to have taken 6 (six) precise steps towards the grave of Ali RadiAllahu Anhu before saying Ya Ali Ya Ali as a form of gaining help! Same for others who took 11 steps towards the Grave of Abdul Qadir Jilani Rehmatullah Alaih before saying Ya Ghawth

Our understanding is that Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala from His Mercy has told us to go creation for help, whilst remembering Allah is The Giver. In certain situations we need a Waseela, Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala has told us to find one.

Never mind the widespread use of Ya Ghawth Al-Azam Madad, and YA Rifai Madad, and Ya Badawi Madad, Ali RadiAllahu Anhu has been singled out as a Wali (protector, friend, helper) of Muslims in tafsirs of The Quran.

Ya Ali Madad, nor any of the other calls can not simply be classed as shirk because we actually have narrations which use words and names to gain power and healing from Allah All Mighty

for example In Imam Bukhari's Kitab Al Adab Al Mufrad in the chapter of 'what to do when your leg becomes Numb' - the answer is actually to say the name of the one you love the most - Wa Muhammadah - which is same as Ya RasoolAllah SallAllahu Alaihi wa Alihi wa Sallam)
and Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala puts into that healing for your leg. I have tried this not for numb leg but for a broken ankle and it did help A LOT in the subsequent weeks. This was a long term injury, so I know what was just 'not healing'!

Again something similar(wa Muhammadah, Ya RasoolAllah Sallallahu Alaihi wa Alihi wa Sallam) was used by the Companions in the war against musailama the liar. This was a battle cry and source of strength (All strength and help comes from Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala. and there is barkat and favour from Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala in those words)

Finally there is accepted and acted upon hadiths (Acted upon by Imams including Ahmad bin Hanbal Rehmatullah Alaih) which actually tell us to call to ghaib creation for help - a`inu Ya IbadAllah - which is Ya IbadAllah Help Me

Words such as ainooni, Madad, Adkrikni and few others are pretty much the same in meaning used to request help
The IbadAllah are Angles, Jinn and Muslims! But even if you limit the term to any of those it still would carry the same consequence no matter what the creation was. so shirk would still be shirk with angels or humans, if anyone wanted to say it was.

There is also the examples of my friends from childhood, some would shout 'Amma' when in difficulty. It was not shirk (associating partners with Allah The One)

Asking from the inhabitants of the Graves is also a practice of this Ummah in its entirety. Inhabitants of the Grave are given a Mobile to hear us, its the same with some whose grave one is not at. Its just a longer distance call.

Basically anyone who has an Islamic understanding regarding Allah All Mighty, can not possibly be committing shirk Al-Akbar by saying Ya Ali Madad because as you said Ali RadiAllahu Anhu is limited. Where the mushrikeen would view their multiple gods as gods besides Allah The Only ONE.
Interestingly anyone who has a mushrik aqeedah may be committing shirk when he moves his own finger! but for a Muslim it is ok (not shirk) to say 'I did it' as in 'I moved my finger' in general talk and understanding. Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala has been Most Merciful to us

As for Shirk, some layman Muslims can not comprehend it. It really is different and devoid of thought and care. I tried explaining trinity to someone I know and he said 'like we believe in panjtan pak'. I said no, tried explaining further but gave up in the end. He was not about to understand multiple gods anytime soon. He only knew and understood 1 God, MashAllah

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Vroom, thanks for the detailed response. I dont want to go into complications here. Its as simple as this , Allah has told us in the Quran, He is closer to us then our Jugular vein. We ask Him directly for what we need because He likes it when we make dua with the faith that He will grant us and bless us.

We were never encouraged to find waseela's to make dua's or salam. If that was the case , Prophet Muhammad SAW would have given us a clear example of waseela for dua but no, we were encouraged to ask Allah for all help , when invoking divine help.

Anyways , to each their own, we cant change people's faith. Only Allah shows the light to the one's He chooses. May Allah guide us all.

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Islam has professed the use of
the Islamic greeting when
encountering another Muslim
or leaving the company of
another Muslim because it
unifies the hearts and strengthens bonds between
Muslims. Imam Muslim reported that
the prophet (S.A.W.) said, "I
swear by the one whose hand
my soul is in that you will not
enter paradise until you
believe. And you won’t be believed until you love one
another. May I tell you
something, that if you practice
it you will love another, spread
the (salam) Islamic greeting
among you." This makes it clear to us, that spreading
salam among Muslims is the
first step towards paradise.
This is because spreading
salam leads to increasing the
love between our hearts. And the increase of love between
our hearts will increase the
Iman, (faith). An authentic hadith reported
by Imams At-Termithi and Ibn
Majah that the prophet (S.A.W.)
said: "Oh you people, spread
salam among you, serve the
food, behave kindly with your blood relations, and offer
prayer at night when others
are asleep, and you will enter
paradise safely." And Imams
Bukhari and Muslim reported
that a man asked the prophet (S.A.W.), "what in Islam is the
best?" He (S.A.W.) answered,
"To feed people and to say
salam to everyone whether
you know them or not." What is the history of the Islamic greeting, when did it start, and who was the one who chose it? Imams Bukhari and Muslim
reported that the prophet
(S.A.W.) said, "When Allah
created Adam he told him to
go and say Assalamu Alikum to
a group of Angels and listen to their reply. It is your greeting
and the greeting of your
descendants. Adam went and
said: Assalamu Alikum they
said Assalamu Alikum Wa
Rahmatulah." The complete form for the Islamic greeting is Assalamu Alilkum Wa Rahmatulah Wa
Barakatuh meaning peace,
mercy, and blessings be upon
from Allah (S.W.T.). This is
because Imams Abu-Dawood
and At-Termithi reported in a good hadith that a man came
to the prophet (S.A.W.) and
said, "Assalamu Alikum." The
prophet responded and the
man sat down. The prophet
said, "Ten rewards." Another man came and said, "Assalamu
Alikum Wa Rahmatullh." The
prophet responded and the
man sat down. The prophet
said, "twenty rewards." Then another man came and
said: Assalamu Alakum Wa
Rahmatulah Wa Barakatuh.
The prophet responded and
the man sat down. The
prophet said, "thirty rewards."

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why did you marry your husband when you knew his family arent muslims (as per your standards)?

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My interpretation is Islam. Your interpretation is shirk shirk shirk.
Shirk is the worst crime in Allah's eyes. So I am going to support killing of those who do shirk.

I am still a peaceful person and Islam is religion of peace.

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Ya Ali madad

I have only heard it being used within Ismailis like people mentioned. Even twelver Shias use the original Salam, I have never heard it out of any other setting than from Ismailis for a greeting. I'm not sure what the purpose of this thread is though, a PSA on how to say salaam?

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Bohris say that as well.

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Wait the person who opened this thread is married to an Ismaili? And is having this issue? Seriously?

Oh lord.

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Bohris say that as well.
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Oh that's right, I guess I don't know any Bohris but I've heard that too now that you point it out.

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he is not ismaili . Alhumdulilah
Bye

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but his family is. you didnt think you'd have to interact with your in-laws?

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Ya Ali madad

Ismailis Shias aka Aga Khanis say it as a greeting.

My twelver Shia friends (the "regular Shias") say the normal Salam but do say ya Ali madad if any thing bad happens. For example, I say "ya Allah" if a child in front of me is going to fall, or if I am about to crash my car into a tree. Shias say "Ya Ali" or "Ya Ali madad". Of course they do say Ya Allah and mention Allah's name as well but they also generally mention Ali too.

Aga Khanis use ya Ali madad as a standard greeting

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Is he a Shia? I know many Shias but not Ismailis. Ismailis are quite modern as compared to regular Shia and Sunnis. I did a research on Ismailis a some time back and was appalled because they claim they can wear short clothing, ditch hijab, and even drink.