Re: Ya Ali madad
Thus, asking others for help when in need, and asking others for dua is character of Muslims. Only fraun, Namrood, Iblis, follower of Iblis, people with similar character as Iblis, people who are under the influence of Iblis, people who are so proud of themselves that to ask others hurt their ego, or people who are so miser that giving to needy hurt them, would disagree with that (disagreeing with this process is disagreeing with Zakat and many things Islam promotes)..
I hope you are not counting me among these horrible people!
Do these ‘horrible’ turn to Allah Almighty for help?
Anyhow, requirement of asking is that, whenever asking,** belief** of one should be that in the end, it is Allah who provides and those who are asked can be only intermediaries (Zariya).
I agree with you; but
Do you believe Allah Almighty can’t have direct connection you?
Do you believe Allah Almighty can respond to your call without the intervention of the intermediary?
Do you believe Allah Almighty will deal with you stingily without the intervention of the intermediary?
Similarly, requirement of giving (in whatever form and shape) is that the giver should believe that whatever they have is gift from Allah and it is their duty to help others with what they have, as guardian of what Allah has given them.
Agree with you 100%
This belief is true regardless of the person asking someone a glass of water, wages for work, medical treatment, or dua … that is, those who give glass of water, wage for work, medical treatment, or dua, they are only intermediaries (Zariyas) and in reality the provider is Allah.
Agree with you 100%
As for death, our Aqeedah is that, there is no such thing in Islam that a person dies spiritually even though that person may have died physically. Thus, asking from a person who died physically is same as asking a person who is living physically, because in the end, both are helpless in helping others on their own account and could only become go-in-between (Zariya) if Allah wants to, as help and provisions are always from Allah.
“When My servants ask you about Me [tell them], ‘Verily I am close [to them]; I listen to the prayer of everyone who calls on Me. So let them respond to Me and believe in Me in order that the may be guided aright. ’” (2:186)
Do you think Allah Almighty needs a go-in-between to help whosoever calls upon Him? Do you think Allah Almighty is helpless without a go-in-between?
Further, to provide help or provisions through someone, regardless of them being physically Alive or not, is no big deal for Allah, as when/if Allah wants to, a person becomes helpful, regardless of that person is physically alive or not (and anyone who do not believe that Allah could do that even if Allah wants to, than that person cannot be a Muslim).
Do you think Allah Almighty needs a go-in-between to help whosoever calls upon Him? Do you think Allah Almighty is helpless without a go-in-between?
Allah has made material world a place where each of his creation depends on other of Allah’s creations for everything. We can see that when baby is born (humans or animals), as from the time of birth that baby depends on another of Allah’s creation (usually Mother for food, comfort and protection). That obviously does not mean the one providing is God of one provided, or taking help from other is accepting other as God, but it only means that one accepts the way Allah has created this material world, and whoever does not accept this as way of Allah and revolts and misguide others against this way of Allah, are friend of Shaitan.
Agreed 100% Alhamdililah I am not a friend of Shaitan the cursed.
Even when it comes to guidance of human beings, Allah never sent obvious guidance directly to individuals rather Allah has sent guidance through his selected guides as intermediaries (Prophets and other humans close to Allah or Wali-Allah), and this is the way of Allah in this material world.
Agreed 100% and Allah Almighty is the source of Guidance and it is only Him who chooses those who will be guided.
This is especially true for humans as we are going through test of ‘Iman on unseen’, so belief on Allah and his providing provisions has to be unseen. Shaitan has always misguided humans making them revolt against Prophets and Wali-Allahs (friends of Allah) by making his followers demeaning and abusing people close to Allah, as Iblis himself tried to demean and abuse Allah by not respecting Allah’s raising of Adam (AS) status making Adam (AS) worthy of Sajdah-e-tazeem. Shaitan continuously prompt humans that they are so close to Allah that they should expect guidance and hearing from Allah directly … though it does not mean that it is not possible for Allah, but that is not way Allah adopted for this material world where Allah is testing his creations. These misguided humans full of ego do not even realise that all guidance ever came to them is through intermediaries (Prophets, parents, guardians, Saints, elders, scholars, etc) and thus without realisation, fall for Shaitan’s ploy.
Agree with you 100% but what’s this got to do with the topic on hand?
For those, who believe that they are so close to Allah that they should ask and expect everything from Allah directly and that there should be no intermediaries in between, then they should ask Allah to send them Quran as guidance directly too, rejecting anything Allah sent to them indirectly through intermediaries. Reason is simple.
Now you are trying to be funny.
Quran and all components of Islam that Allah sent to Prophet (SAW) is through Jabrael (AS) as intermediary between him and Prophet (SAW) who passed Quran and components of Islam to people of his time. Muslims of today got Quran and all components of Islam through generations of Muslims between them and prophet (SAW). So neither Muslims nor Prophet (SAW) got Quran and components of Islam directly from Allah … though that does not mean Allah could not have done that … and fact is that Prophet (SAW) always had direct contact with Allah, though for worldly purpose, this is how things happened … Jabrael (AS) was shown as intermediary).
Agree with you 100% but what’s this got to do with the topic on hand?
Anyhow, if any Muslim would do that (reject Quran and expect direct message from Allah for his guidance), than they would find that Allah would never send them Quran or any message directly, nor Allah would send Angel telling them anything about guidance, but by just desiring such, these misguided Muslims would only end up as Kafir with end in Jahannum.
Agree with you 100% but what’s this got to do with the topic on hand?
Asking Allah directly: It is true that Allah has told Muslims to ask him only (but have never used the word ‘directly’). Actually, asking Allah for help is to do with ‘in belief sense’, not ‘in literal sense’ …
** He is the Living (One): There is no god but He: Call upon Him, giving Him sincere devotion. Praise be to Allah, Lord of the Worlds! 40:65
Transliteration: Huwa alhayyu la ilaha illa huwa faodAAoohu mukhliseena lahu alddeena alhamdu lillahi rabbi alAAalameena
“When My servants ask you about Me [tell them], ‘Verily I am close [to them]; I listen to the prayer of everyone who calls on Me. So let them respond to Me and believe in Me in order that they may be guided aright.’” (2:186)
What do you understand the blessed versed quoted above?
Did He say go look for intermediaries? Or did He ask people to call upon Him directly?
When you read the Duas from the Quran, and there are plenty of them, directly addressing Allah Almighty – starting with “Allah Huma” are you not addressing Allah Almighty directly?
Then it is Allah Almighty’s choice to find the means to meet the needs of the one who called upon Him?
as I wrote earlier, that when asking anyone, belief should be that actual source who provides is Allah and whoever one is asking is just intermediary whom Allah has or may have bestowed ability to provide. If that asking (to ask Allah) was in ‘literally sense and directly’ than a believer could not even ask anything from anyone, including a glass of water from his wife/children, wages from his employer, medical treatment from his doctor, dua from any person, etc.
The provider is Allah Almighty rest are just the means.
Well, if asking was in literal sense than Prophets (AS) could not have even asked kuffars to accept Islam, rather Prophet (AS) would have asked Allah to make Kuffars accept Islam. Actual Islamic belief is that in the end it is Allah who gives guidance, but still Prophet (AS) gives guidance and asks Kuffars to receive guidance from him.
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One could find verses in Quran that says ‘those who help Prophet (SAW) …’ or that ‘those who help Allah’… so, one should think. In this material world Allah do not help directly but helps through intermediaries, else one would be denying not only common sense, historical facts, but would be making all Prophets Mushrik (those who asked help from people other than Allah), would be making Allah Mushrik (as Allah asked people in Quran to help Prophet and Allah too), and would be denying many ayahs of Quran, including following ayahs, so read carefully the ayahs and think:
What’s this got to with the topic on hand?
Surah 7, ayah 157: Those who follow the messenger, the Prophet who can neither read nor write, whom they will find described in the Torah and the Gospel (which are) with them. He will enjoin on them that which is right and forbid them that which is wrong. He will make lawful for them all good things and prohibit for them only the foul; and he will relieve them of their burden and the fetters that they used to wear. Then those who believe in him, and honour him, and help him , and follow the light which is sent down with him: they are the successful.
Ayah (3:124) … Allah is telling Muslims that he did not helped directly, but his help came through 3000 angels. So, if anyone thinks that Allah help directly, then why Angels?
Surah 3, ayah 124: Remember thou saidst to the Faithful: "Is it not enough for you that Allah should help you with three thousand angels (Specially) sent down?
Ayah (4:75): Allah is telling people that why not help those Men, women and children who cry: ‘Raise for us from thee one who protect and help’ (or asking Allah to raise people who protect and help them). Why Allah is saying that ‘people asking to raise from thee (Allah) one who protects and help, why not ask Allah to protect and help directly?’
Surah 4, ayah 75: And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?- Men, women, and children, whose cry is: "Our Lord! Rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will protect; and raise for us from thee one who will help!"
Ayah (8:72): Allah telling Muslims that it is their duty to help other Muslims? How come? If Allah helps directly than shouldn’t it be that Allah should help directly and not ask people to help?
Surah 8, ayah 72: Those who believed, and adopted exile, and fought for the Faith, with their property and their persons, in the cause of Allah, as well as those who gave (them) asylum and aid,- these are (all) friends and protectors, one of another. As to those who believed but came not into exile, ye owe no duty of protection to them until they come into exile; but if they seek your aid in religion, it is your duty to help them , except against a people with whom ye have a treaty of mutual alliance. And (remember) Allah seeth all that ye do.
Ayah (22:40) Allah mentions that he repel some men by means of others (made one group of men intermediaries to repel other group and do not repel them directly) … and talk about people helping cause of Allah, shows that Allah uses intermediaries. Is Allah using means to provide or help, doing shirk too?
Just think, if Allah helps directly and there are no intermediaries then how come Allah used one men against other as well as Allah is talking about people helping Allah’s cause?
Actually, Allah says in ayah below that if he has not used one group of men to repel other group of men than places where Allah is worshipped would have got pulled down (as even then Allah would not have intervened directly) … shows that in this world Allah do not interfere directly but use intermediaries to do whatever he wants.
What’s this got to with the topic on hand?