Ya Ali madad

[Ibn_Sadique]

Re: Ya Ali madad

Brother Saleem - First of all allow me to give let me tell that I’m really envious of your typing speed and the long posts that you can generate. I salute for this.

May Allah Almighty give you more speed so that you can dazzle the viewers with immense words that you can generate within a few hours – Admirable!

Having got that out of the way, I am going to have a go at your complete post so that you know I didn’t skip any point raised by you.

@Sa1eem

Brother ‏Ibn Sadique: Please learn Islam and do not accuse people of what they have never said or wrote … For instance, you want to accuse me that I wrote ‘worshiping other than Allah is not shirk’, when ‘I never wrote anywhere that one can worship anyone other than Allah’.

I have learnt Islam form scholars of repute, But thanks I don’t want to learn the sources that you have been exposed to.
Please show me where have I accused you of what you claim?

@Sa1eem

I think you have big problems understanding and knowing Islam, but that maybe because it seems we have two different beliefs (Aqeedah).

Your perception is correct I do have a problem understanding but it is not Islam but I have a big problem with Brelviyah school of thought.

Yes I agree with that we have differences in Aqeedah

I follow Fiqh of Imam Abu Hanifah (rahimullah)I follow Aqeedah Tahawiyyah and Aqeedah maturidiyyah which most of Hanafis follow. Read about Aqeedah in the following link:

Aqeedah Tahawiyyah Text | TAWHEED

@Sa1eem

For you ‘calling’ is ‘worshipping’, and you believe that ‘calling someone other than Allah is Shirk’ … even when caller has neither intention nor belief that one the person is calling is deity (god = illah).

No, It is not me, but the Blessed Messenger of Allah Almighty (peace and blessings be upon him) said so:

The Blessed Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) said “Duaa(calling) is worship” (Sunnan Abi Dawud, hadith 1474 and Musnad Imam Ahmad)

Yes I and Muslims (apart from your type) believe that calling upon someone other than Allah Almighty which is in His Domain is shirk if done intentionally, if unintentionally or by lack of knowledge than minor shirk.

Can you ask anyone directly other than Allah Almighty to forgive my sins? I deliberately worded my sins in case you come back and accuse me of calling you sinful

Intentions are matter of the heart – nobody can see the intentions in the heart.

if it walks like a duck quacks like a duck looks like a duck it must be a duck – then we judge it to be a duck!

You got a cheek complaining – All your posts are very offensive – always addressing others as followers of shaitaan – It is a lie – did I have a moan about it? No, because coming from you it makes no difference at all.

@Sa1eem

Your second belief is that, when a person leaves this world (Nafs dies), Ruh of that person dies too, hence that person cannot hear, cannot see, cannot feel, cannot reply, cannot do anything, cannot help, nor can pray for anyone … hence your ‘call someone other than Allah being Shirk’ becomes ‘call someone other than Allah who has died is Shrik’.

Yet again you are wrong. You are just presuming things and letting your imagination run wild.

Why are you lumping false beliefs on me. My sincere advice to you is to change your tutor – he is feeding you all the wrong information.

The angel of death takes the Ruh out of the body –the body dies and Ruh is taken to alam al barzakh and experiences the ‘life’ to come. That station is in Ghayb – leave it as it is so no speculations.

@Sa1eem

As for Muslims, we believe that those who pass away, they move (inteqal) from this world to world behind curtain (Alam-e-Barzakh), and that they are as much alive as one living in this world, with exception that their test in this world ends. Thus, those who passed away, they can hear, see, feel, reply, give dua, and can help or do things whatever Allah permits them.

By ‘us Muslims’ you mean Brelvis – or are excluding likes of me out?

Alhamdulilah! My beliefs same like that of Muslims - Alhamdulilah! Must be shocking for you! Let you tutor know that I too believe in Alam al Barzakh!!!

If the people in the Alam al Barzakh can hear us and reply us, we don’t scholars now. We can get fatwas from the eminent scholars who have passed into Alam Al Barzakh

Why doesn’t one of your eminent scholars get in touch with the Blessed Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) and sort out all the differences among the Fuqaha?

There is no connection between the two ‘worlds’ only what Allah Almighty permits through dreams.

@Sa1eem

For us Muslims, calling someone for help or whatever, be that person alive with us or has passed away is not worshiping that person neither it is Shrik. Rather, it is recognition that there is life after death and a person that passed away can do anything with permission of Allah (if that person has permission of Allah).

By ‘us Muslims’ you mean Brelvis – or are excluding likes of me out?

@Sa1eem

For us Muslims, shirk and worship depends on our beliefs and intentions … and that means, until we do not call someone (be that someone alive or passed away) with belief that the person is Deity (has his own power as god to fulfil anything) then that is not worship nor shirk..

By ‘us Muslims’ you mean Brelvis – or are excluding likes of me out?

@Sa1eem

Now, if your beliefs became same as what we Muslims believe … that death is just ‘going behind curtain’ … or behind ‘pardah’ … where a person moves from ‘world of test’ to ‘world behind curtain’, then it would be easy for you to understand what I am saying.

By ‘we Muslims’ you mean Brelvis – or are excluding likes of me out?

Did you find any difference in my beliefs and yours?

@Sa1eem

Please do not think that from above statement I mean you are not Muslim. What I am saying is that, beliefs of sect you belong to is different then we Muslims (or sect we and majority of other Muslims belong to). I am putting down the beliefs of us Muslims, so that you can see the difference and also find answers to the questions you raised. I can further explain with references, but I am not sure you would accept our beliefs (Aqeedah), hence me writing further would be beating the bush, so my rest of the post is for you (to know our beliefs) as well as for anyone who may have confusion regarding the matter we believe, that I wrote earlier..

Alhamdulilah! I really appreciate that you have included me in the camp of Muslims, very grudgingly though – I hope your tutor doesn’t tick you off.

Yes I agree with you I will never believe what Brelvis believe. There is no textual evidence that some of Brelvis rituals ever performed by the Blessed Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) I do have Brelvi relatives and get on very well with them but never participate with their rituals which all Brelvis perform as they are not from the Sunnah of the Blessed Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) and neither from the Blessed Quran.

@Sa1eem

Please read carefully (actually, I answered similar query few years back, and fortunately I found some of those material, so posting them here):
As Muslim, it is our belief (Aqeedah) that we cannot call anyone other than Allah for help 'with belief’ that the person could give ‘help’ on their own account independent of Allah. All source of help a person receives originates from Allah, and whoever one calls are intermediary (Zariya), who can do whatever only with permission of Allah. This is true for us, be the person we call is alive or passed away (no difference between the two).

Do you believe Allah Almighty is nearer to you than the person you are calling for help?

Do you believe Allah Almighty is hears you better than the person you are calling for help?

Do you believe Allah Almighty can intervene even before the person intervened for you?

Do you believe Allah Almighty can’t have direct connection you?

Do you believe Allah Almighty can respond to your call without the intervention of the intermediary?

@Sa1eem

In Islam, Allah has told Muslims to give to other Muslims who are in need, and there is nowhere Allah has said that those who are in need should not ask others for help or ask others for whatever they need…

What’s this got to with the topic on hand? In this world Muslims must help and cooperate with each other particularly, right?

But can you ask other Muslim to forgive your sins if you have any? Of course you won’t as you know only Allah Almighty can do that. It is in His Domain.

Or can other Muslim ask you to forgive his sins (not committed against you)?

@Sa1eem

Actually, for a Muslim to help needy if they can, give to needy if they have anything, plus give dua to all in abundance is part of Islam … and similarly for needy Muslims to ask others if they need anything and take from them if given is part of Islam, as these are the ways of Allah and whoever do not believe on this asking/giving is not Muslim (Zakat is fard, and process of Zakat itself is process of giving by those who have and taking by those who need). ..

Agree with you 100%