Ya Ali madad

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Re: Ya Ali madad

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This is also where I must say I cannot agree in principle with saying “Ya Ali madad” … It is not even something that we ask from RasoolAllah (SAW) … And it comes back to the definition of shirk …

Du’a and 'ibadah are both to be directed to Allah (SWT) … The Key Chapter - the Opener - The Fatihah … Gives us clues to what is the criteria of shirk …

A du’a is asking for help and ibadah is making an offering … It hence confines us to understand that … There are some things that are Right of Allah (SWT) alone and we ask them from Him and there are some things we can offer and they too are expressly the right of Allah (SWT) …

If the argument of not being good enough to ask directly was valid … Then the argument of not being good enough to worship directly would be too … And that is what the mushrik Makkans were already doing … Before the advent of Islam.

However, since I am also a believer of the idea of great and noble people of Allah (SWT) which are prophets and companions of prophets and martyrs to be alive … Then asking from them certain things is okay … So it all falls on the interpretation of that word madad …

If we ask them for what is the express right of Allah (SWT) like forgiveness of sins then that is haram and shirk … Or like to make our destiny good, or for wealth, or health, and so on … All shirk … If we ask them to smile on us on the Day of Judgment, or if we say Salam to them, or if we ask RasoolAllah (SAW) to provide waseelah to us … Then that is specifically impossible to be asked from Allah (SWT) … and not within the rights outlined by shirk …

I have huge problems with replacing a Salam which is the right of Allah (SWT) - to be granted peace and that being replaced by the name of another in the same setting … i.e. As a greeting!

If this statement means something else … No one so far has had the courage to explain it … It is because for them it IS an alternative to Salam … :nono: … In the absence of not having a clear understanding of what is meant by the term madad here … I would give the benefit of the doubt and say that this phrase as a greeting is most definitely a reprehensible bidd’a.

Some people refrain from asking anything from the holy men of Allah (SWT) … This is also a safe position because they have saved themselves of shirk and bidd’a … If we are really going to step close to the boundary we NEED to know very well what defines that boundary or else we could be pushed out of it …

You should ask directly from Allah for your needs. But you can not call waseela like Ya Ali Madad the shirk either.
If ‘iyyaka nastaeen…’ means Ya Ghous Madad is not allowed then ‘al Hamdo lillah’ (Hamd is for Allah) should also mean that no Hamd can be done except for Allah. Yet we know that Prophet’s very name is Muhammad (One With Hamd)!

Cherry picking words from Quran like people typically do is a sure sign of going astray. Every sect gives Quran as a proof of its authenticity. Kharijis did it to justify the fatwa of kufr on Ali.

If ‘iyyaka nastaeen…’ really be implemented then dialing 911 is shirk as well.

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Comparing Ya Ali Madad with Meccan calls of help from Laat and Uzza is a preposterous argument. I think it was ibn Wahhab who used it for the first time in Islam. It shows what a low life he was to compare Laat and Uzza with the Prophet and his Ahle Bait.