Ya Ali madad

[vroom]

Re: Ya Ali madad

@Chicken_Biryani

Vroom, thanks for the detailed response. I dont want to go into complications here. Its as simple as this , Allah has told us in the Quran, He is closer to us then our Jugular vein. We ask Him directly for what we need because He likes it when we make dua with the faith that He will grant us and bless us.

Allah Most Merciful is closer to us then our Jugular vein and knows what we conceal, however the same is not true in reverse. ie we are not close to Allah The Only One. we have differing degrees of closeness or alternatively Allah All Powerful may test us to see how keen we are for his help. For example the waseela of intercession will come after we have been tossed into hell (<Allah The Just has already put you into Hell). Then what will save some of us? The Waseela, the means of approach

For this purpose, or another reason, out of Mercy Allah Subhanahu wa Ta’ala has allowed for us to use fellow creation as a means of approach to Him, and has made creation as helpers to us on the earth, and elsewhere

Ya Ali Madad in terms of it being shirk or not is the same as saying Ya Chicken Biryani pass me a pen. With incorrect aqeedah both statements are Shirk, and with correct aqeedah both are permissible, not Shirk

We were never encouraged to find waseela’s to make dua’s or salam. If that was the case , Prophet Muhammad SAW would have given us a clear example of waseela for dua but no, we were encouraged to ask Allah for all help , when invoking divine help.

We are encouraged to become Slaves of Allah Subhanahu wa Ta’ala (close to Him) but we have needs. We can make direct duas or take a variety of means of approach including fellow beings. It is not shirk to do so

We make direct Salam to those creation we are offering Salams for. It is said to Creation but given Barkat and acceptence by Allahu Akbar

Now you say we are not encouraged to take Wasdeelas, and I know what you mean by Waseelas here. That’s not actually true

I have already mentioned two above ‘Wa Muhammadah’ and ‘ainooni Ya IbadAllah’. IbadAllah also includes passed away Muslims!

and I’ll add ‘Ya RasoolAllah I turn to Allah through you’

All the above are ‘not shirk’ according Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jamaah

Anyways , to each their own, we cant change people’s faith. Only Allah shows the light to the one’s He chooses. May Allah guide us all.

If you think Ya Ali Madad is shirk in all cases and incidences the above examples will also have to be shirk according to you. so you are not upon what Islam (ASWJ) is upon and your tawheed is more tawheedi then what Islam gave you. Like you say nobody changes once they have been indoctrined (I did but) I will request you to put deeper thought into your beliefs.

You said ‘divine help’ as if there is another form of help, from a matter of agreed upon Aqeedah I do believe both good and bad is from Allah All Powerful. this is a differentiating factor between shirk and Tawheed who the actual help is coming from. For example we can say the creation helps me, or the angels help me (real help from Allah Most Merciful) but if you believe there is equal or smaller gods besides Allah The Only One, then that would be shirk