Ya Ali Madad or A Shirk - Ask Allah (SWT) directly or it equates to shirk (merged)

[Ayeshaaaa]

@muslima84

salaam,

i agree with AMY. Allah (swt) says in the Quran that “call on me” and i will answer your prayer…he does NOT say CALL ON MY FRIEND AND I WILL ANSWER YOUR PRAYER!!

i dont understand why these people cant go and ask Allah (swt) directly. i always ask Allah (swt) for whatever i need, and alhamdulillah he gives it.

all you have to do is ask sincerely. if you do that, then you dont need any intercession of any sort.

there is a hadith which says (im sorry i cant remember the exact words but its something like this:
that that which is lawful is white and CLEAR; and that which is unlawful is black and CLEAR. but in between these two, there is a DOUBTFUL grey area, which should be avoided.

so…dont you think that asking for something through a dead person should be avoided? because you may be committing shirk.
if you can ask Allah (swt) directly, then i dont see why ANYONE feels the need to go to a dead person.

PS. i ask Allah to 4give me if i said anything wrong

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[This message has been edited by muslima84 (edited June 10, 2001).]

lol who is more closer to Allah(swt) us humans who sin all the time or the prophet that he purified? if you or me being sinners asked Allah (swt) to help us indeed he would but if we asked Allah (swt) through his loved ones and through the ones that do not sin like us then surely allah would listen…
either way we are asking Allah, just the method is different . we do not ask the prophets for anything but through them we ask Allah…IT IS NOT SHIRK…get your facts rite
wa’salaam

[my21098]

Re: Ya Ali Madad or A Shirk

@Y2K_Zaid

Yes, Muhammad e Mustafa :saw: is not dead if for a minute we suppose that he is not alive then I don’t find a good reason to calling his name in Azan & Aqamat. In Azan & Aqamat every single Muslim of this world call Prophet :saw: name.

Ash-hadu anna Muhammadur rasūlullāh :saw:

Bear witness that Muhammad is the Messenger of God.

If he is not alive then why Muslim bear witness that Muhammad :saw: IS the Messenger of God
NOT
Muhammad WAS the Messenger of God.

If anyone of you think that he is not alive then first change the Azan and bear witness that he was the Messenger of Allah otherwise accept it HE (:saw:) is alive

If I say that Muhammad Ali Jinnah is the founder of Pakistan, does that mean he is alive?

[rari389]

Re: Ya Ali Madad or A Shirk

@my21098

If I say that Muhammad Ali Jinnah is the founder of Pakistan, does that mean he is alive?

Is claiming that Jinnah is the prophet of Pakistan part of your religious identiy? NO! Does denying him the respect he deserves make you a non-pakistani NO!
Equating this example with the wording of the Kalema and how it still says that “Muhammad(SAW) IS the prophet of GOD” is ludicrous!
when you read the Kalema and then proceed to say that the Muhammad was a prophet then shouldn’t you change the wording of the kalema to suit your belief’s?

[my21098]

Re: Ya Ali Madad or A Shirk

@rari389

Is claiming that Jinnah is the prophet of Pakistan part of your religious identiy? NO! Does denying him the respect he deserves make you a non-pakistani NO!
Equating this example with the wording of the Kalema and how it still says that “Muhammad(SAW) IS the prophet of GOD” is ludicrous!
when you read the Kalema and then proceed to say that the Muhammad was a prophet then shouldn’t you change the wording of the kalema to suit your belief’s?

The point for giving that example was to tell you, that when I say Prophet Muhammad (Peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) IS the Prophet of Allah, it means that he is the current Prophet and has nothing to do with him being alive or not. I’m just repeating his status when I say that. Like if we were born in let’s say 200 BC, When Isa (Peace be upon him) did not come, our Prophet would have been Musa (Peace be upon him) and we would have said La ilaha illa Allah Musa Rasul Allah regardless of whether he was alive at that time or not. And SalamUAlaikum

[Zalim]

Re: Ya Ali Madad or A Shirk - Ask Allah (SWT) directly or it equates to shirk (merged

E’ya ka na budu wa e’ya ka nastaeen … Why we cannot ponder on this verse of the most recited sura?

my 0.02$

[system]

Re: Ya Allah Madad … Ya Muhammad Madad. Ya Aba Bakr, Omar, Othman, Ali Madad!..

@Ripper

fortunately your nana jaan is not Rasool e Khuda.

plz mind ur words before u say anything think twice wht are u saying…respect respect respect..

[system]

Re: Ya Ali Madad or A Shirk - Ask Allah (SWT) directly or it equates to shirk (merged

@Y2K_Zaid

It is not part of Islam but it is poetry that directly related to Prophet Muhammad and anything related to Sarkar Muhammad Is obviously very respectful.

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kalams of qawalis are ofeen based on Naats…

[system]

Re: Ya Ali Madad or A Shirk - Ask Allah (SWT) directly or it equates to shirk (merged

@Y2K_Zaid

It is not part of Islam but it is poetry that directly related to Prophet Muhammad and anything related to Sarkar Muhammad Is obviously very respectful.

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kalams of qawalis are often based on Naats…

[system]

Re: Ya Ali Madad or A Shirk - Ask Allah (SWT) directly or it equates to shirk (merged

@Mr_Fraudia

as if I am really calling on to my phuppa for madad. Its an attempt to make people think, which obviously ..is not working

there must a sensible way to convince ppl for something u want…not nessacary say such things wich is a sin…

[system]

Re: Ya Ali Madad or A Shirk - Ask Allah (SWT) directly or it equates to shirk (merged

@healtymind

BECUASE WE FOLLOW SHARIAT MOHAMMADI AND THIS IS MOHAMMAD WHO ASK FROM ALLAH FOR HELP AND HE GOTALI AS (HELPER and VIZIER) , THAT MEANS IF ALLAH WISH HE GIVE POWER TO OTHERS FOR BENEFITS OF UMMA…it is our duty to follow him,

TELL ME IS IT POSSIBLE TO PICK THE DOOR OF KHYBER, where 500 people are required to open it…why same door is picked off only by one HUMAN. (does it make sence,. it no. then, that was speciall power which was granted to Imam Ali (as) ..HE WAS MUSHKIL KUSHA FOR OUR MOHAMMAD(saws) and also for his UMMA>. (those who hate ALI are Hypocrate).. Sahih Bukhari, and Sahih Muslim, Dur Manshoor. and so on…

CALIPH OMER ASK FOR HELP from AHLE BAITE…if asking help from others, is not in islam, then HE WAS FIRST TO ASK FROM other instead of ALLAH…(see for reference in second page)

peace..
plz always write in the name of our HOLY PROPHET MUHAMMAD:saw2:

[system]

Re: Ya Ali Madad or A Shirk

@Y2K_Zaid

ImranJaff shaib, If Prophet Muhammad (SWW) is died then whom you are sending Salam everyday in ‘Dorod Sharif’? (Salam is only for alive peoples not for dead ones) don’t tell me that you don’t send Salam to Prophet Muhamad everyday in your daily prayers.

Allah sends His Salah on the Prophet Muhammad), and also His angels (do so). Oh you who believe! Send your Salah (i..e. ask Allah to bless) him (Muhammad) and greet him with the Islamic way of greeting (i.e. as-Salaam Alaykum, which means peace be upon you)" (33:56)

There are few how don send durrod on MUHAMMAD:saw2:…they even don attend milads,and if they attend for the sake of some relative they don even stand wen salam is been offered..