Ya Ali Madad or A Shirk - Ask Allah (SWT) directly or it equates to shirk (merged)

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Saying Ya Muhammad Madad or Ya Aba Bakr, Omar, Othman, Ali Madad.. does not mean O Muhammad Grant me or goodness. It means Ya Allah, I ask you by the virtue of your honored and pious slave. It is completely lawful.

In Al-Bukhariy, the Hadith of the blind man who came to the Prophet asking to make du^a’ for him, the Prophet taught him to make go to where they make wudu’ and to perform wudu’ and to pray tow rak^ahs and make tawassul by Muhammad, and within the du^a’, he taught him to say: **“..Ya Muhammad, I direct myself to Allah by YOU for my need to be fulfilled”. **

This has been taught by the Prophet, would the prophet teach shirk?!! as wahabies say! Ma^athallah. This is one proof. If some deviant said to you: that was during the life of the Prophet, you can’t do it after his deaht, tell him: we follow the Prophet and his Sahabah. at the time of Imam Uthman, who was a caliph, Uthman ibn Hunayf taught a man who had a need the same du^a’ that the Prophet taught to the blind man which had tawassul by the Prophet and that was after the death of Prophet Muhammad. There are more proves that we can give if needed.

Ya Allah Madad.
Allah Knows best.

[This message has been edited by Ahmad G (edited June 09, 2001).]

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Here’s more proves from the Scholars of the FOUR SCHOOLS which prove that Tawassul is permissible and the millions of Muslims that do it are not mushriks as some say. The proves are fully referenced with Name of scholar, book and page ! what more would anyone need.

The Hanafy Madhhab (School – set of laws):
In the book “Al-Fatawa al-Hindiyyah Volume 1/266, the book al-Manasik, Under the title: Conclusion of visiting the grave of the Prophet Sallallahu ^alayhi wa sallam, after he mentioned how the visit is, and manners of the visitor of the grave of the Prophet Sallallahu ^alayhi wa sallam, he mentioned the supplications that the visitor would say, and he said: “He (The visitor) stands close to the head of the prophet Sallallahu ^alayhi wa sallam and he would say: “O Allah you said and your say is the truth (and he mentioned this ayah)
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And we came to you listening to your say obedient to your command, (((making tawassul (Mustashfi^een) by your Prophet))) to you” The End. This means we make tawassul by the Prophet to you O Allah.

The Maliky Madhhab:
Sheikh Ibn al-Hajj al-malikiyy whose known for his strength in the negation of the innovations, in his book al-Madkhal, 1/259-260 he said: “(((THE TAWASSUL by him Sallallahu ^alayhi wa sallam))) is the place where to take off the masses of bad deeds and the weighty loads of sins, because (((the Barakah of seeking tawassul by him Sallallahu ^alayhi wa sallam is great to Allah))) and no sin exeeds it, for, it is the greatest of all, so let the one who visits him and who doesn’t visit him know that, and let him seek Allah Ta^ala (((by the Shafa^ah of his Prophet))) may peace and blessings be upon him. O Allah (((grant us his Shafa^ah for his high rank))) to You, Ameen o lord of the worlds, and whomever believes in the opposite of this, he would be losing (the endownment of tawassul)”

The Shafi^iy Madhhab:
Imam An-Nawawiyy said in “al-Majmoo^” 8 / 274, the book “description of pilgrimage”, under the title (((“Visiting the grave of the Messenger Sallallahu ^alayhi wa sallam”))) he said: “Than he (the pilgrim) returns to his first position facing the face of the Prophet of Allah Sallallahu ^alayhi wa sallam (((and he makes tawassul by him))) (((by his virtue and he seeks shafa^ah by him))) (Sallallahu ^alayhi wa sallam) to his lord” The end of the saying of An-Nawawiyy. Please check these references on the mentioned book, volume and page number. Shafa^ah (intersession) linguistically means: Seeking help from others to others. There are the Shafi^iees also teaching us how to make tawassul as well.

The Hanbaly Madhhab (Whom as claimed by the ones who say tawassul is forbidden –wahabies-, claim that he is their imam:
Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal said tawassul is lawful as Imam al-Mardawy reported from him in “al-Insaf” 2/456 Book “Salat al-Istisqa’” he said: “and from it (meaning from the benefits) it’s (((perimissible to make tawassul by the pious man))) who’s righteous on the madhhab, and it has been said: it’s (((recommended))), Imam Ahmad said to al-marwathy: “(((He makes tawassul by the Prophet))) Sallallahu ^alayhi wa sallam in his supplication, and he affirmed it in al-Mustaw^ib and others”. Imam Ahmad Bin Hanbal is one of our great four schools that affirmed that it is permissible to make tawassul by the Prophet and by the pious man to Allah, if those four Madhhahib said in the permissibility of tawassul, what kind of sense would it be to leave these four schools and follow only the wahaby madhhab?!! they are the ONLY sect that makes it impermissible.

These are the four schools whom clarified the issue of tawassul all as one say, they all agreed on this Islamic issue, so Muslim brother follow these great scholars, those who chose to follow the route of the Prophet Sallallahu ^alayhi wa sallam, and do not lose the reward and value of making tawassul by the beloved Al-Mustafa Sallallahu ^alayhi wa ^ala Alihy wa Sahbihy wa sallam and on those who follow them.

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And to add more to your certainty and as a benefit to you and to increase the clarifications of the permissibility of tawassul by the Prophet Sallallahu ^alayhi wa sallam and that it’s done by many of the scholars of Islam, I will mention some of the famous scholars that made tawassul by the Prophet Sallallahu ^alayhi wa sallam in their books along with the references in brief (Please if not sure, check references):

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1- The seal of the linguistics al-Hafith Murtada az-Zabidy al-Hanafy he said in conclusion of “Taj Al^aroos” as he made supplication: “…We ask (((By Muhammad and his kind and pure Al)))”

2- Sheikh Ibn Hajar al-Haythamiyy as-Shafi^iyy said in the conclusion of his book “Tuhfat Az-Zuwwar Ila Qabr al-Mukhtar” (his book: The preciousness for the visitors of the grave of the great Prophet) as he was making supplication: “May Allah let us and those who read this book die with happiness and goodness and may He grant us Paradise in a great place (((by the virtue of the master of Prophets))) (Sallallahu ^alayhi wa sallam)”.

3- The great scholar al-Fayoumiyy said in the conclusion of his book: “al-Misbah al-Munir” as was making supplication: “and we ask Allah to grant us a good end in our life and the hereafter and to benefit by it and its seeker and the one who looks into it and to treat us fairly (About the book) (((by Muhammad and his Al al-at-har and his Companions al-abrar)))”

4- The great scholar and faqih ^Abdul-Ghaniyy al-Hanafiy the author of “al-Lubab fi sharh al-Kitab”, he said in the conclusion of his book “Sharh Al^aqidah At-Tahawiyyah” as he was making du^a’: “and I ask you (o Allah) to raise the rank of our master Muhammad, for, he is the closest of whom (((tawassul is done by him))) to you”.

5- Shams ad-Deen ar-Ramliyy known as the small Shafi^uiyy he said in the introduction of his book “Ghayat al-Bayan fi sharh Zubad ibn Rislan” as he was making supplication: “and I ask Allah and (((by his Prophet I make tawassul)), to make it (his deed in his book) sincere for your sake”.

6- The ultimate of the Muhaqiqeen Sheikh Ibn ^Abideen al-Hanafiyy, he said in the introduction of his explanation for “ad-Durr al-Mukhtar” as he was making supplication: “and I ask Him Ta^ala (((making tawassul to his Prophet))) whom is Mukarram, Sallallahu ^alayhi wa sallam”.

7- Sheikh Muhammad ^Ala’ud-Deen ibn as-Sheikh ibn ^abideen, he said in the conclusion of the continuation of the explanation of his father as he was making supplication: “May Allah (protect) him, and may Allah forgive him and his children and his sheikhs and to whom else he has right upon, (((by the virtue of the master of the Prophets and Messengers)))”.

8- Imam Muhammad Az-Zarqaniyy Al Malikiyy said in the conclusion of explanation to “al-muwatta’” as he was making supplication: “and I ask you from your generosity (O Allah) (((making tawassul to you by the most high in rank of your messengers))) (Ashraf al-Mursaleen) and to make it (His explanation to al-Muwatta’) sincere for your sake”.

9- Muhadith Isma^il bin Muhammad al-^Ajluniyy al-jrahiyy, as-Shafi^iyy he said in his book “Kashf al-Khafa’ and Muzeel al-ilbas” 2/419 making supplication: “and o Allah waive away our sins by your generosity and end it by the best of deeds by the virtue of the Muhammad Sallallahu ^alayhi wa sallam the master of the masters”.

10- al-hafith as-Sakhawiyy said in the conculusion of his “Explanation of ‘Ulfyat al-^Iraqiy in al-hadtih”: “our master Muhammad the master of humanity and (((our ‘Wassilah’))) (Path to Allah) and our Sanad and support during the hardships Sallallahu ^alayhi wa sallam”.
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Allah Knows Best.

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brother Ahmad
assalamu alaykum!

Masha Allah what you have quoted is HAQQ but is this forum the correct place for such lofty topics?

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Anyway here’s another one…
Shay’ann lillah Ya Shaikh Abd al Qadir al Jilani (radhi Allah anhu)
and another one..

Ya Khawaja e KhawajagaaN Shah e Naqshband Imdad Kun! (radhi Allah anhu)

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I would really like to know the site where you acquired this article(s).

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These all words are shirk because your direction for help is towards people who are dead. "Ya Allaha Madad" is correct because you are asking direct to God Almighty for help.

However it proven that old shabah (RA) use to reffer to Hazoor (SAW) and ask for special help (i cannot recall actuall pryer right now).

"Away from Eyes......Close to Heart"

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Quran tells us very clearly to implore God only:

Quran: 40:60

And your lord says: " call on me; I will answer your prayer." but those who are too arrogant to serve me will surely find themselves in hell.

Punjabi Kurhi

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salaam,

i agree with AMY. Allah (swt) says in the Quran that “call on me” and i will answer your prayer…he does NOT say CALL ON MY FRIEND AND I WILL ANSWER YOUR PRAYER!!

i dont understand why these people cant go and ask Allah (swt) directly. i always ask Allah (swt) for whatever i need, and alhamdulillah he gives it.

all you have to do is ask sincerely. if you do that, then you dont need any intercession of any sort.

there is a hadith which says (im sorry i cant remember the exact words but its something like this:
that that which is lawful is white and CLEAR; and that which is unlawful is black and CLEAR. but in between these two, there is a DOUBTFUL grey area, which should be avoided.

so…dont you think that asking for something through a dead person should be avoided? because you may be committing shirk.
if you can ask Allah (swt) directly, then i dont see why ANYONE feels the need to go to a dead person.

PS. i ask Allah to 4give me if i said anything wrong

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[This message has been edited by muslima84 (edited June 10, 2001).]

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Re: Ya Allah Madad ... Ya Muhammad Madad. Ya Aba Bakr, Omar, Othman, Ali Madad!..

tawassul: www.alsunna.org/audio

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Re: Ya Allah Madad ... Ya Muhammad Madad. Ya Aba Bakr, Omar, Othman, Ali Madad!..

the similar threads have been started on the forum like 60 times already and same thing over and over and over again. The dua you quoted from the hadith was only valid until Prophet(SAW) was alive. Let's put this matter aside and ask ourselves why do we need to do it? Here's something that might help, i hope you people read it, i post it before like 4 times

I'm sure a dead person can assist you? When they're alive then it makes sense but to a certain extent but a human is a human doesn't matter how great he is, after all he'll taste the death and only and only Allah Ta'ala will remain. Allah Ta'ala was there when there were no humans and He will be there when there will not be any humans. So when you ask for help, who would you call, the Creator or His creation who can't even help themselves?

I think you and other brother who started this thread missed what i said in another thread early on when the thread starter was talking about "Ya Rasool Allah Madad". But when i posted some questions and aya'h from the Quran none of you replied. After seeing the truth but not believing is a sign of munkr.

let's forget about if saying "Ya Rasool Allah" is shirk or not. But one thing i don't understand is why do we need call Prophet(SAW) for help? Don't we pray in every sala'h that Ya Allah
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Iyyaka naAAbudu waiyyaka nastaAAeenu - Hum sirf TARI hi ibadt kertay hain or sirf TUJI sa hi maded mangtay hain - **Thee do we worship, and Thine aid we seek.** (Surah Al Fatiah, 5)

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Yet after reciting this in every sala'h we find the need to ask Prophet(SAW) for help! How sad, isn't it?
Didn't Allah Subhaanhu Wa Ta'ala says in Quran,
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When My servants ask thee concerning Me, I am indeed close (to them): I listen to the prayer of every suppliant when he calleth on Me **(Surah Al Baqra)
And your Lord says: "Call on Me; I will answer your (Prayer)"** (Surah Al Momin, 60)

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And yet we say, "Ya Rasool Allah Madad" or "Ya Ali Mada"! Do we have any sense? If a person has any slightest of doubt in Allah's power and he doubts that Allah Ta'ala will not listen to his prayers/duas or rather perfer calling someone else for help then that person is a munker of the above aya'hs. Either stop believing in what Allah says in Quran or stop saying those nonsense stuff. Don't make things too complicated please!

May Allah Subhaanhu Wa Ta'ala guide us on to the straight path, ameen!****

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Re: Ya Allah Madad ... Ya Muhammad Madad. Ya Aba Bakr, Omar, Othman, Ali Madad!..

this thread should be deleted as it is increasing more fikabandi then knowledge

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Re: Ya Allah Madad ... Ya Muhammad Madad. Ya Aba Bakr, Omar, Othman, Ali Madad!..

Oh yaar don't we muslims have something better to lock horns. you wanna say that you go ahead, i don't wanna do that. For you it is hallal because you believe so, for us it is Haraam becuase we believe so. Come on lets mature and Allah will decide the matter on the judgement day, i do not know why each side wants to get endorsement of the other side.

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Re: Ya Allah Madad ... Ya Muhammad Madad. Ya Aba Bakr, Omar, Othman, Ali Madad!..

may Allah guide u....

if there is nothing wrong with u, then what wrong did Muhammad (saw) find with those who said "O Jesus help us"????

or do u think ABu Bakar (ra), and Ali (ra) r higher ranked than Jesus (as)????

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Re: Ya Allah Madad ... Ya Muhammad Madad. Ya Aba Bakr, Omar, Othman, Ali Madad!..

It all depends on one's intentions (how they mean it).

I believe it is Shirk. If you don't, good for you.

Lastly, I would also like to remind that this is in a way similar to what Hindus do. They worship idols, and say that we don't worship idols but worship God through idols.
I think you are headed in the same direction as the hindus (who I think corrupted the original message which was sent by Allah), when you say phrases like: "Ya Mohammed" or "Ya Omar", etc.

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Re: Ya Allah Madad ... Ya Muhammad Madad. Ya Aba Bakr, Omar, Othman, Ali Madad!..

Ya ALLAH madad...

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Re: Ya Allah Madad ... Ya Muhammad Madad. Ya Aba Bakr, Omar, Othman, Ali Madad!..

Salam,

I am very happy that one of you came to know that saying "YA ALI MADAD"
does not means that we are asking from Ali (as), infact we are approaching Allah through him...

Wat is you would like to say for those who think, Sayin "YA ALI MADAD" is Shirk. ???????

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Re: Ya Allah Madad ... Ya Muhammad Madad. Ya Aba Bakr, Omar, Othman, Ali Madad!..

Dear Brother: Can you please explain why you think (Hijre Aswad) is not ordinary stone (why you postrate it)...............dont you think its alos like Hindues,,,,,,,,who believe that stone, snake, and cow or bla bla, is god..

reply,,,please, is postrating Haje Aswad is sin.....???????? becuase ALLAH IS every where, why you think that stone is not ordinary...why millions of millions people wish to touch it,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,??????? now explain Shirk here

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Re: Ya Allah Madad ... Ya Muhammad Madad. Ya Aba Bakr, Omar, Othman, Ali Madad!..

DONT GO BLIND..

ALLAH SAY IN QURAN FIND BELIEVER TO APPROACH ME IN QURAN..

read if you not find ask,...

BLIND BELIEVERSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSss

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Re: Ya Allah Madad ... Ya Muhammad Madad. Ya Aba Bakr, Omar, Othman, Ali Madad!..

CAN you please tell the friends that , Did Hazrat Suleman In Quran Translation (Ask for help from Jins to bring the "TAKHT of Bilqis) , do you thing he ignored ALLAH Presence, to ask for help from JINS..........................

Is that SHIRK (ALLAH FORBID0

May ALLAH GUIDE YOU.....

Bachna ae Guppiyon.. CG aagaya.. with new AVATAR..!!
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Re: Ya Allah Madad ... Ya Muhammad Madad. Ya Aba Bakr, Omar, Othman, Ali Madad!..

Healty mind welcome back on the forum

Can you answer my request on the thread Hazrat Ali the door of knowledge