Y.R. Gillani harassing S. Rehman at political rally

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Aliyish, quit stereotyping me to have what your (tainted and narrow) view of the average American mentality is.

What I say may not be what you want to hear or what you agree with but please for God's sake don't judge me and accuse me of having a bandwagon approach to everything. Personally, I think you have that sort of a mentality what with your constant crap about how my views on Pakistan are "typical of an American".

Now, back to the topic, what I'm trying to say is that people that are illiterate don't necessarily know what's best for them and are much easily swayed by the media and crooked politicians than to be able to make an educated and appropriate decision on who would truly be the best candidate. I'm not being harsh.. it's all for the benefit of the people in the end.

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It's not a matter of whether or not they're Pakistani. People that are likely to vote for someone like Yousaf Raza Gillani should not be able to vote. I'm not blaming them.. they are lied to and cheated by the government/media/politicians. They know no better. By not allowing illiterate people to vote, we would actually be helping these people by getting someone effective in power who could work to increase literacy.

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:rotfl:

Which old Guppies do you wish come back to GS?
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Do you mind elaborating that bandwagon approach for me ?

Up to my peanut knowledge . The propaganda techniques known as "bandwagon" approach encourages you to think that because everyone else is doing something, you should do it too, or you'll be left out.

Same as "keeping up with the Joneses" philosophy. Right ?

Now tell me where on God’s earth , any other country has ever done something parallel to you proposal ? do you mind giving me an example ?

Here you are socially excluding Pakistanis on basis of literacy rate and your argument is :

‘ People that are illiterate don't necessarily know what's best for them and are much easily swayed by the media and crooked politicians than to be able to make an educated and appropriate decision on who would truly be the best candidate’ ..

Instead of lobbing for political awareness / encouraging people to get education … you are asking to toss out them … fair enough ..

Isn’t it same like you have four siblings and one of them is less educated and instead of bucking him up for awareness .. you kick him out from the family or don’t include him when it comes to make some real family decisions ..

Can you see what you doing here .. you are socially chucking a part of you family .. And thinking ‘ o all done for betterment of family ‘ ..

That’s what Pakistanis are doing since 1947 .. Extruding less educated provinces .. not giving them a proper share of meat ..

And if they counteract or fight for their rights .. you call them anarchist and insurgents ..

Do you think only illiterate people are the ones swayed by crooked politician and media ? you are naïve if you do so …

Those whom you are calling ‘illiterate bunch’ have no choice here .. They are bound to make this decision . And booting them is not a good option here ..

You have said ‘Aliyish, quit stereotyping me to have what your (tainted and narrow) view of the average American mentality is. ‘

I didn’t .. but honestly tell me .. aint you projecting that ‘ either you are with us or you are doomed ‘ mentality here ?

Or in your words if you aint educated enough .. you aint acknowledged to have the basic right of voting …

Sorry to tell you but indeed I m in vogue of this average American mentality …

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Okay, first of all, how is it "American mentality" for me to think that we shouldn't let illiterate people vote? If anything, it's the OPPOSITE of American mentality because literacy tests have long been banned in the US since the abolition of slaves.

Secondly, there is no hope in "lobbying for political awareness" at this point in Pakistan. To restore a nation, everything works in steps. The first step would be to eliminate the ability for illiterate people to vote so that there can be a (atleast somewhat) effective person in power. THEN, we can begin to lobby for political awareness and encourage more of a focus on the education.

There's no use in trying to ask a corrupt government to make policies to help the people. This can only be done if the people in power are effective, and this can only happen if someone good is actually elected, which can be done if they have literacy tests, therefore eliminating the uneducated from the voting system... temporarily, until the literacy rate increases atleast above 75%.

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First of all people didn't really go and voted for Gillani as a PM, he was chosen as PM almost 3 weeks after the election.
Secondly, there are not only illiterate people who support these candidates but a good majority of highly influential literate people as well.
Thirdly, no matter how literate or illiterate people are, we can not stop them from practicing their constitutional right. If we think they are making wrong choices then they need to be educated about them.
Finally, there is nothing much people can do if they don't have much choice to begin with. Like Imran Khan said in one of his address/speech that if people want change then educated and sincere people have to come forward.
So just eliminating certain class won't make a difference, we can't stop these ppl from electing if we don't have better candidates to fight them.

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First of all people didn't really go and voted for Gillani as a PM, he was chosen as PM almost 3 weeks after the election.
People got all emotional over Bhutto's assassination which led to a massive amount of votes for PPP which led to them picking a crook to be the leader. It's all relative.
Secondly, there are not only illiterate people who support these candidates but a good majority of highly influential literate people as well.
This election is an unusual case. An election where only literate people can vote can possibly yield the same results as the regular election (like in the case of this one right now). But it would definately make a difference in most other elections, not just of the Prime Minister but also (and especially) of smaller pisitions like district governors and such.
Thirdly, no matter how literate or illiterate people are, we can not stop them from practicing their constitutional right. If we think they are making wrong choices then they need to be educated about them.
^ This is solid question-begging (circular reasoning). They can't be educated if the government that the uneducated people are choosing ends up being corrupt. There needs to be a change, atleast temporarily, somewhere along the line.
Finally, there is nothing much people can do if they don't have much choice to begin with. Like Imran Khan said in one of his address/speech that if people want change then educated and sincere people have to come forward.
So just eliminating certain class won't make a difference, we can't stop these ppl from electing if we don't have better candidates to fight them.
This is true, but as always in a democracy you have to pick the lesser of evils (it's a crappy selection process. Personally I think democracies suck but it seems like this is what Pakistan needs most at this point). By eliminating the illiterate people from being able to vote, it will allow for more fair results of votes based on proper analysis of the candidates rather than a free plate of biryaani at the door of the voting booths. :)

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Don’t want to be dragged into any political discussion but regardless of whether I like Gillani or not, I’d like to be a little more careful in forming my opinions about him based on this clip. There can be a lot of pushing and shoving around in the crowd and it’s possible that he was only trying to keep his balance and what happened was accidental. Being an experienced politician he must have known the consequences of being naughty in front of cameras?

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Possibly. The media (Youtube, in this case) does tend to exaggerate on these kinds of things, especially if it's a politician.

Still, the man was in prison for nearly 6 years. =\

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well i dont like Yousuf Raza Gillani as a politician but yr ' jail Bird ' argument seems bit jejune here ..

Look up Jerry Brown? He smoked dope with Linda Ronstadt, Jackson Browne, and the Eagles, in Malibu, and rode to work in a Chevrolet.

But he was possibly the best Governor California ever had.

Nelson Mandela spent a quarter century in Jail ...

So Technically speaking ... Y. R .Gillani wasnt found guilty in any case ... by hook or by crook they all have been wash'd out ...

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:k:

my opinion

Respect....
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it could have been an honest mistake...i guess. She does sort of lock in his hand by lowering her arm. I think thats when both of them realized whats going on and none of them reacted too spontaneously as to avoid drawing attention to it. Of course, it COULD be much more simpler than that...:P

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How is this particular case of name calling any different than situations and complains discussed here:

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showthread.php?t=280506

I am not a fan of Gilani and I can assure you I would never vote for him if given a chance but your constant whinning about him being in jail making him some sort of untouchable ‘shoodar’ on that reasoning is quite childishly ridiculous.

Imam Hanbal (Ra) spent 28 months in prison, what is your opinion about him?

Muhammad Bin Qasim was put in prison by Hajjaj bin Yousuf where he died, what do you say about Muhammad Bin Qasim’s character?

Faiz Ahmed Faiz spent time in jail, he must be a drunken poet in your views?

Have you read the history about making of Pakistan. I bet all those leaders of All India Muslim League under the leadership of Quaid-e-Azam, who went to prison are FREAKS in your dictionary?

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I agree with you Phatima:biggthumb

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Gillani was put in prison for abusing his power. That says a lot about his leadership skills.

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I when he goes to usa, they play this tape on CNN.
lol
pervert.

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Phatima, didn't Musharraf abuse his power and he isn't even stopping it. I am looking forward to that day when he will be jailed.

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^ I'm not one of those blind Mush-lovers. He did abuse his powers. I agree.

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On the record affairs.

Nawaz sharif, Tahira syed, and feroz khan's sister.
Mush Atiqa odho
Sheikh Rasheed Every single heron of Lolly wood, Got desise from Rema (documented)

hmmmmm

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hawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww i saw a similiar heading on facebooks pakistan's network popular videos but cudnt access youtube but now i saw it here...hawwwwwwwwwwwwww how can he do that and if it was a mistake y didnt she throw his hands away...lol!