I see what you are saying. That the ideas and ambitions embedded in the slogans are good. The implementation of those ideas and ambitions is bad (obviously due to bad leadership).
Correct?
There are few problems that are evident in your theory.
FYI. Islam DOES NOT need a country to be proved or disproved for its divinity or other characteristics.
Remember that when Islam was accepted as a divine religion, there was no Muslim state for 1000 miles in any direction of Makkah.
So anyone who tries to say that Islam needs a country to be proven right, is mis-informed at best.
Countries are not laboratories to test a religion and prove anything about any religion.
Countries are there for the people to have peace and prosperity. If you can provide these two things using something as trivial a religion as perhaps called "Dirt-ism", who gives a hoot?
How many Pakistanis and other immigrants drown in the ugly waters around Europe, just to smuggle in at any cost.
Are they going to Europe for some laboratory action to prove one thing or the other?
No! These people do not care if there is Islam, Christianity, Buddhism, Jainism, etc. etc. People look for peace and prosperity.
That's all.
That's why my friend our slogan for Pakistan ka matlad kiya is flawed too.
Again no one cares about the literal meanings.
The point is to look at the impact of this dimwit slogan on Pakistani peace and prosperity.
If Nukie bum is helping, then keep the slogan. If on the other hand it results in more chaos and less prosperity, then dump it.
And be careful about using the words like "Determination". Every bank robber has determination to rob and thus follows his slogan or motto of robbery.
Presence of determination is not a proof, the end result is a proof. And pakistanis ended up "literally" eating grass and dirt due to the fallout of nukie bum.
And if you don't know about the economic fallout immediately following the bums, then perhaps you need to read a bit more.
You need to re-check you knowledge on Islamic history...
Yes you can say that Islam never advocates for a country neither does it have any kind of influence on any human being.... and accordingly you can also say that Hitler is still Alive and Jakson was an Alien etc etc.. ofcourse none of them is true...
Just for your information, the Islamic State of Madina was established in the life time of Prophet Mohammad (SAW), The same state did signed treaty with Meccans, the same state took over Khyber from Jews and the same state did attacked and took over Makkah, when Meccans violate the terms of the treaty.
So your saying that Islam does not require a state is just your ignorance to Islam and its teaching, who knows tomorrow you comeup with some kind of theory that Islam is not a religion by itself it is only a belief... I am not here to lecture you on Islam, if you are Muslim, then it is your duty to go through Quran and Hadees to understand the true essence of Islam. Period
Yes, you can say that, you may live in a place where prostitution is legal, where interest/usury have dominated each and every part of the life, yes then self-respect become a synoym of self-interest, yes in that society/mentality the slogan of eating grass but not bowing seems ridiculous... so i can understand that why it seems to be ridiculous to you... I don't think i need to say anything more on this...