Would the man on moon feed 500 million starving Indians?

It appears the Indians want to send a man on the moon.

It appears they have enough money to do this, yet cannot even get the 250 million tons of surplus wheat to their starving population?

As the article states: ‘critics have questioned why India - where almost half of the billion-plus population lives in dire poverty - is spending millions of pounds on space exploration’?

I just hope their astronauts are better trained than the IAF pilots :slight_smile:

India limbers up for space race as prime minister asks for the moon

Shuttle astronaut inspires New Delhi to challenge China’s lofty ambitions.

It is more than thirty years since the American astronauts Gene Cernan and Harrison Schmitt wandered around the surface of the moon, scooped up several large chunks of rock and flew home. Since their last epic Apollo mission in December 1972, no one has been back.
But if India’s prime minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee has his way, the next astronaut to leave footprints on the moon’s ghostly cratered surface could well be Indian.

Earlier this month, Mr Vajpayee told a stunned science conference in Bombay it was time for India to achieve its dream of putting a man on the moon.

“Our scientists are now talking of sending a man into space. It is time to make our dreams come true,” he said. Now India’s national research space agency has unveiled an ambitious plan to send an unmanned spacecraft to the moon by 2007.

The 350kg probe would map a previously obscure part of the moon’s surface and collect data. The orbiting craft might even answer one of the solar system’s trickier questions: did the moon originally break off the earth, or was it pulled into the earth’s orbit from elsewhere?

Although Indian scientists admit a lunar landing is at least a decade away, they are now actively contemplating the previously unthinkable: to boldly go where only the United States has been before, not very recently.

But critics have questioned why India - where almost half of the billion-plus population lives in dire poverty - is spending millions of pounds on space exploration. The historic Apollo and Soviet Luna missions have already brought back 382kg of moon rock. There isn’t much left to discover, they argue. The money could be better spent on cheaper space technologies, like satellite launches, or on something completely different, such as Aids prevention.

“It’s the stupidest thing to do,” said HS Mukunda, the chairman of the Indian institute of science. “What others did 30 years ago, we are trying to do now. It won’t bring the country any technical benefit.”

India’s interest in space travel began modestly in the early 1960s, when scientists launched a small rocket above the jungles of Kerala. The architect of India’s space programme, Vikram Sarabhai, argued that there was nothing wrong with developing countries exploring space, so long as the technology helped to solve the problems of those stuck behind on earth.

Since then, New Delhi has developed increasingly sophisticated rockets. Five months ago, India launched its first weather satellite from the humid southern city of Madras.

Enthusiasts for India’s space programme say it has brought huge benefits for telecommunications and weather forecasting, and costs virtually nothing compared to the whopping £8bn which India spends on defence.

“We run our space programme on a shoestring,” said Krishnaswamy Kasturirangan, the chairman of India’s space research organisation. “We spend around $450-$500m £275-£300m]. I don’t think it’s much when you consider the benefits we are able to reap.”

Going to the moon was a “long-term investment”, Dr Kasturirangan said. “There has been a recent revival of interest in the moon. There are still scientific questions that need to be answered.”

The front pages of Indian newspapers have been covered with photos of an Indian-born woman who is already in space: Kalpana Chawla.

Ms Chawla, who was born in India but moved to the US, where she took a doctorate in aerospace engineering, blasted off last week as one of seven astronauts, including an Israeli pilot, aboard the space shuttle Columbia.

Her two-week mission has invigorated India’s budding space programme and prompted the question: could India put someone on the moon? The subject has preoccupied India’s elderly prime minister for some time.

“I met the prime minister about a month ago during Indian science week,” Dr Kasturirangan said yesterday. “We only had a few minutes together. But he said to me, 'What about a man on the moon? What do you think about it?”’

“I told him we would have to look at a long-term perspective. Nothing is impossible for us. The question is political commitment and resources.”

India’s plan to put someone on the moon is partly inspired by old-fashioned rivalry; not with Pakistan, India’s traditional enemy, but with China.

In the second half of this year, Beijing plans to blast an astronaut into orbit, becoming only the third country to do so.

Its Shenzhou-IV unmanned spacecraft returned to inner Mongolia earlier this month, having spent almost a week orbiting the earth. President Jiang Zemin had hailed the successful launch of the craft as a “great victory”.

China has even come up with a new name for its would-be astronauts: “taikonauts”, from the Chinese word for space.

China’s achievements and India’s determination point to the possibility of a new space race, reminiscent of the lunar rivalry in the 1960s between the Soviet Union and the US.

There is a military dimension too: India’s new satellite launch vehicle is almost certainly capable of putting a spy satellite above Pakistan.

Mr Vajpayee, meanwhile, who presided over India’s nuclear tests in 1998, has shown a growing fascination with the moon. Earlier this month he recited an ancient Hindi lullaby about the moon’s splendour to an audience in Bombay. “The moon will descend only through science, and not through wishes alone,” he told them.

The Indian prime minister realises that sending an Indian to the moon would undoubtedly be a patriotic coup for his Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party. He may not be around to see it, though. Aged 78, Mr Vajpayee is nearing the end of his political career.

Increasingly, he appears to be reflecting on his legacy; and peering up towards the stars. “He is very interested in these things,” Dr Kasturirangan said. “He is obviously looking well ahead.”

nothing wrong with having a space mission, as long as it's not from money pulled out of what's earmarked for other spendings. this part of the article puts it well.

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*"We run our space programme on a shoestring," said Krishnaswamy Kasturirangan, the chairman of India's space research organisation. "We spend around $450-$500m £275-£300m]. I don't think it's much when you consider the benefits we are able to reap." *
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:)

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..nothing wrong with having a space mission, as long as it's not from money pulled out of what's earmarked for other spendings...
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Queer Ji. Yes, nothing wrong indeed. I just hope the 500 million starving Indians see the benefit, and are able to receive at least some of the 250 million tons of surplus wheat.

I know, I know, people are somewhat stunned by my new found love for the Indians :)

2b yaar,

what you are saying is that in a society where people starve, no one should do anything else but distribute grain?

having a space program target for 2010 doesnt necessarily mean compromising attention on a better public distribution system. neither would not having a space program speed up things on the PDS front.

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2b yaar,

what you are saying is that in a society where people starve, no one should do anything else but distribute grain?
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Nahi yaar. What I am saying is that the prioritise maybe wrong. We have been hearing about the hundreds of millions starving Indians for decades. Surely, this is not a sign of a progressive society?

To an outsider, it seems a simple case of getting the wheat to the starving. Surely, by now (if India is as progressive as it claims), it could have done something about the distribution problem? It appears the Indian leadership would rather spend money on something else. Why is that?

I was talking to an Indian recently (I know, I know, people are surprised), there maybe truth in what he said? Basically, it appears, the Indian leadership has made a conscious decision to ignore the starving and the poverty stricken 500 million Indians. They believe there is nothing they can do about these people. From what the Indian leadership is doing and preaching, it appears that is indeed the case.

India alleges that it is a forward thinking country and cares for ‘all’ its people (I disagree, by looking at how the minorities and the starving are being treated). It is about time India has a reality check, and gets its priorities right, rather than portraying itself to something it is not!

This is plain crazy and an insult to their citizens who are in need.There is nothing on the moon,no holiday inns that i know of,just nothing.
What do they think they are going to gain from going to the moon,to see if it broke off from the earth?my god,im pretty sure if a rock the size and shape of the moon had brocken off from the earth,even i could probably see the signs,like a big hole,a really big hole.
It would be a lot cheaper for them to just phone NASA and ask hey whats on the moon my friend?

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It appears the Indians want to send a man on the moon.

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Did the Russkies sold any new module to the genius lately..... Its called bili kay khwab mein chicheray... :)

Wait for same announcement from Pakistan too. They want to do everything Indians do :)

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Wait for same announcement from Pakistan too. They want to do everything Indians do :)
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unless there is kashmir there to fight about

Pakistan?? hell they'd pay for a one way trip if all Indians can take that flight!

This is great news for India. Why are Pakistanis concenred abt starving Indians when we have 35% below poverty line ourselves. Your all so happy when Pakistan says "we put a foeign made space satillite into orbit"-this is just jealously on your part.

It is seriously time to accept that whilst WMD'S have ensured our survival, India is set to become a HUGE power-an international player with clout. Ity can afford these ventures. Dont hate-appreciate.

hehe :rotfl: problem solved

hey..

those 500 million people will die.. and be reborn as something or someone else ... so why should there be any worry for them..

for now .. India has a chance to be one of the "first ones".. the foundations they lay now.. the future generations will benefit from..

Man on the Moon...

Could it help starving people?

Yes, I think it could.

Why?

Jobs and progress.

I mean.. the space program must employ people that aren't scientists also. Don't you think?

No offense intended.

There have to be jobs to build the lab? Manufacture the items needed to build a site? Nuts and bolts? Machinists jobs maybe? Grade the roads? Maintain it? Make a road going to it? Manufacture items needed for it?

Even...wax the floors? Wash the windows? Cut the grass? Supply and cook food in the cafeteria for the workers? Make diodes and chips for computers?

Yeah.. I think its a positive way to help people.

Not to mention the scientists.

Absolutely a good investment.

china achieved a super power staus from nothing,whenits people were languishing at the hands of poverty.china was more poorer than india till the mid of 70's and poverty deaths were a common thing in china.but they acheived several mile stones from that position and todays china has bcome a super power and and can even challenge u.s in many fields.

 india has got  a very efficient and committed team of space scientists and already it has achieved many milestones in the direction of space exploration.landing man on moon will prove to be a great success for india and other third world countries ,as india can offer cheap and efficient spaced technology to them.

thanks

India has only talked about sending a man to the moon , they havent talked about his return. Perhaps he would have to wait there till india accumulates enough funds to bring him back, and that could take a very long time.
I would suggest that they send a queer guy so that he should not need a women when he is up there.

Queer ji oppertunity for u.

What's the point of putting a man on the moon (again) ?

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What's the point of putting a man on the moon (again) ?
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Acording to the indian government " The old lady spinning the wheel on the moon is getting bored and is really craving for a madrass vindaloo"

No actually it's to declare that some old documents on the moon prove that the old lady was Indian and spaceflight was inspired from ancient Indian texts.

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It appears the Indians want to send a man on the moon.

It appears they have enough money to do this, yet cannot even get the 250 million tons of surplus wheat to their starving population?

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I smell something burning(with jealousy... I mean).
When will Paki kids grow up.