would abortion be allowed if....

[korisn]

the pregnancy was a result of rape?

[sadiqhassan]

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I don't think so. I have read a few books on it, and one of them said that you could take the morning after pill (which kills the embryo before it has implanted) but otherwise you cannot because it is the equivalent of murder.

WaSalaam

[sidz_angel]

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abortion is only allowed if the mothers life is at risk and aborting the foetus is the only way to save her life
i am sure the more learned members of this forum can giv u greater detail.

[ME_T]

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@korisn

the pregnancy was a result of rape?

i always wanted to know this, was confused about this

[Faruk_Khan]

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murder is murder whether the baby is inside the mother or outside her

would people who approve of aborting rape babies approve of strangling them after they are born for the same reason?

the rapist commits an evil and the woman who aborts the product of that rape commits a bigger evil

maybe upto a certain period after pregnancy it is allowed but after the foeous is considered alive i think he has the same rights as any other human

[sadiqhassan]

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I was reading some of my religious texts, and I can confirm what I said earlier:

Abortion is not allowed unless the life of the mother is threatened. If it will be born with birth defects that will result in death soon after birth, you should just pray to Allah (SWT) for paitence and help in a difficult such a difficult situation. The same is true with abortion. You should pray to Allah for sustance and with his blessings, you can raise a child who can be an example to the Muslim world.

WaSalaam

[sweetpip]

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I think the main problem is that society has to be taught that a woman who was raped should not be blamed. I've always said if society changes their views and manners, then women who were in such a situation would not need to resort to murder. It is not justified that the foetus/child should be liable for the punishment of his/her father - it is an innocent.

I mean we can all sit in our comfortable lives and discuss this rationally, but for a woman in such a situation she would need the ultimate support of her family, and for her to accept that this child is as much of her too.

[deedawar]

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Unfortunately, this evil act of killing the child before or after birth occurs everywhere......in so called closed societies and so called open societies.

[Sara516]

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And what about the evil man who raped her? Dont c anyone here calling him evil.. why shud she pay for his sin? Why shud the woman suffer with a reminder for hte rest of her life? Esp when that kid will look like its father, or God forbid, end up doing thej same thing his father did?

[Rosemarina]

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I agree, in such circumstances, abortion would be the ethical thing to do, no two ways about it though it would be difficult.

[Sara516]

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Not to mention, whether it was rape or not, that kid will still be a "*******" in the eyes of the desi/Muslim community.. noone will know or care his mother was raped, they'll jus c a woman who had a child out of wedlock, n as much as I say we shudn't let our lives be dictated by stupid desi "norms" (in regards to education, marriage, partner choice etc) thhis would be a big deal..

[deedawar]

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@Sara516

And what about the evil man who raped her? Dont c anyone here calling him evil.. why shud she pay for his sin? Why shud the woman suffer with a reminder for hte rest of her life? Esp when that kid will look like its father, or God forbid, end up doing thej same thing his father did?

1- He needs severe punishment.

2- She is responsibility of the society.

3- Being look alike does not mean eligible for death.

4- A child/baby is always innocent.

5- She is honorable as long she did whatever to avoid the rape. Extreme example would be: A drunk/drugged/naked woman has no case if she is raped by drunk/drugged man/men.

6-She is punishible as well in that circumstance. the child is the property of the state if she cannot afford. An honorable marriage must be offered to the man if agreed by the woman before or after his punishment. If she disagrees to this term, he gets the punishment anyway.

Hope this made sense.

[Sara516]

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Eh? Marriage to the rapist?

[deedawar]

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Yes. This way he adopts the responsibility and she still has a choice.

Now thats only possible if she agrees with free will.

[sadiqhassan]

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@Sara516

Not to mention, whether it was rape or not, that kid will still be a "*******" in the eyes of the desi/Muslim community.. noone will know or care his mother was raped, they'll jus c a woman who had a child out of wedlock, n as much as I say we shudn't let our lives be dictated by stupid desi "norms" (in regards to education, marriage, partner choice etc) thhis would be a big deal..

ok, but you can't really base laws on what other people **think **of you, you have the base them of what Allah (SWT) wants you to do.

WaSalaam

[sadiqhassan]

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@Sara516

And what about the evil man who raped her? Dont c anyone here calling him evil.. why shud she pay for his sin? Why shud the woman suffer with a reminder for hte rest of her life? Esp when that kid will look like its father, or God forbid, end up doing thej same thing his father did?

What the man should pay:

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"When a woman went out in the time of the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) for prayer, a man attacked her and overpowered (raped) her. She shouted and he went off, and when a man came by, she said: That (man) did such and such to me. And when a company of the Emigrants came by, she said: That man did such and such to me. They went and seized the man whom they thought had had intercourse with her and brought him to her. She said: Yes, this is he. Then they brought him to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him). When he (the Prophet) was about to pass sentence, the man who (actually) had assaulted her stood up and said: Apostle of Allah, I am the man who did it to her.
He (the Prophet) said to the woman: Go away, for Allah has forgiven you. And about the man who had intercourse with her, he said: Stone him to death.
He also said: He has repented to such an extent that if the people of Medina had repented similarly, it would have been accepted from them. (Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 38, Number 4366)"

[/QUOTE]

[Sadiyah]

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I decided to look it up. To quickly summarise my findings, it is likely permissible for the abused woman to abort the fetus before the soul is breathed into it. However, if she chooses not to abort it, then likely there’s nothing wrong with it either.

May Allah (SWT) forgive me if I’ve summarised it incorrectly, ameen.

3 – With regard to their having abortions – the basic principle concerning abortion is that it is haraam and is not allowed from the moment of conception when it becomes a new being and is “placed in a place of safety” [cf. al-Mursalaat 77:21], i.e., the womb, even if this being is the result of a haraam relationship such as zinaa. In the case of the Ghaamidi woman who had confessed to zina and thus the punishment of stoning became obligatory, the Messenger  (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) told her to go away until after she had given birth, then after she had given birth, he told her to go away until the child was weaned.

4 – There are some fuqahaa’ who think that it is permissible to have an abortion within the first forty days of pregnancy. Some of them even permit it until before the soul is breathed into the embryo. The stronger the excuse, the clearer the reason for the concession is, and if that is within the first forty days it is, this means that the concession is more appropriate.

5 – Undoubtedly the rape of a Muslim woman by an evil enemy is a strong reason for the Muslim woman and for her family to have an abortion. For she will hate this foetus, the result of this iniquitous attack, and she will want to get rid of it. So this concession is to be given because of necessity, especially in the first days of the pregnancy.

6 – Nevertheless, there is nothing wrong with a Muslim woman who has suffered this disaster keeping the foetus without being forced to get rid of it. If it is decreed that it should remain in her womb for the usual term and she gives birth to it, then it will be a Muslim child, as the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Every newborn is born in a state of fitrah (the natural state of man, i.e., Islam).” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari). The fitrah is the religion of Tawheed, i.e., Islam. It has been stated in fiqh that if the parents have different religions, the child should follow the parent who has the best religion. This is in cases where the father is known, but what about the child who has no father? He is a Muslim child, no doubt, and the Muslim society is obliged to take care of his upbringing, to spend on him and to bring him up well. They should not leave the burden to his poor, suffering mother.

One of the basic principles of Islam is to relieve distress and hardship, so if a Muslim girl who is keen to remain chaste is exposed to bestial aggression and fears the effect that this may have on her reputation or her honour, or fears that she may be an outcast or that she may be subjected to harm such as being killed, or she fears that she may suffer psychological or nervous diseases, or that her sanity may be affected, or that shame may be brought upon her family for a matter in which she is not guilty of any sin, or that the child will not find any place of safety, then I say: that if this is the case, there is nothing wrong with her aborting the foetus before the soul is breathed into it, especially when it has become easy for a woman to find out if she is pregnant or not, with the advance of medical means of detecting pregnancy in the first week. The earlier the abortion is carried out, the more appropriate this concession is. And Allaah knows best.

Ref: Abortion of pregnancy resulting from rape

[deedawar]

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@Rosemarina

I agree, in such circumstances, abortion would be the ethical thing to do, no two ways about it though it would be difficult.

Abortion is not a good act unless preganncy has a direct ill-effect on woman's life or fetus is bound to die anyway..... confirmed by available medical knowledge. Its murder otherwise.

[Sara516]

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No if a woman chooses to keep her fetus after rape is not wrong, and theres nothing wrong in that; however someone who decides to hav an abortion after being raped should not be criminalized first by undergoing such horrific action, then by carrying a fetus that she chooses not to carry, a reminder o the crime, bein pregnant against her will, and again by MARRYING THE RAPIST

[sadiqhassan]

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@Sara516

No if a woman chooses to keep her fetus after rape is not wrong, and theres nothing wrong in that; however someone who decides to hav an abortion after being raped should not be criminalized first by undergoing such horrific action, then by carrying a fetus that she chooses not to carry, a reminder o the crime, bein pregnant against her will, and again by MARRYING THE RAPIST

but then aren’t you justifying murder?

If a women chooses to have an abortion, she is commiting murder and she is ending a life… I personally think that carrying a child is far less painful both in this world and in the hereafter than commiting murder.

WaSalaam