Worried Israel: Encircled by enemies again?

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Well have you got anything to say in support of Isreal on the matter?

What of thier unfair siege of Gaza?

The use of banned Phosphorous weapons?

The deliberate targeting of civillian populations?

The use of violence and heavy handed tactics against children and teenagers?

The deliberate attack on a peace convoy?

The blockade of Gaza?

If anything else could be said about the others there is zero defence of thier attack on a Turkish peace ship?

It wouldbe normal if they only hit at Muslims becuase it obviously makes people like yourself happy to see Muslims die...but are you aware of Isreals attack against a US warship the Liberty?

Furthermorecan you see why I compare the Zionist state to the Nazi's? Just because they got gassed gives them the right to wipe out a race as well?

I am an Ishmaelite a cousin and brother in faith of the Jews. I relate clearly to the Iscariot defendersof Jeruslaem the valiant Maccabees the brave men who defied Rome, but even they would spit on the attitude of the Zionist state, Jews themselves hate Isreal for what it's doing but since the current state is a colonial buffer for the likes of America it is loved by people like yourself.

Rebuke that if you can my pompous jingoistic imperialist friend:)

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Where have you run to now…? :5:

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Jeez. It must be someone completely ignorant to be unaware that the blockade and siege of Gaza was because of the stranglehold of terrorist group Hamas on Gaza and its rocket attacks on innocent Israeli civilians. Which is why there was no siege of the West Bank. Also there have been plenty of Palestinian teenaged suicide bombers so if they get targeted then there is no need to feign outrage. And any ship that threatens a country's, any country’s, sovereignty would be dealt with. As for the use illegal phosphorus gas, in war stuff happens. Last I checked the use of rocket attacks on civilians or suicide bombings were not legal either. I am sure Israelis would rather kill then be killed. Unlike Arab leaders, Israeli leaders actually care for their people. But before the Flotilla and the blockades there were Arabs and their hubris and their wars to vanquish Israel. If the Arabs learn to accept Israel's right to existence then they will be spared humiliation.

Also as I wrote earlier your name calling reflects only your deseperation...

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No need to cry. I am very much here to respond to your diatribes.

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Pathetic responess that they are you need not bother :chai:

Listen seriously take a job as Isreali spokeman becuase your thinking is as flaweds as thiers?

Can you tell me the last time hamas launched a rocket into Isreal… oh yeah I remember it was a good few years ago.

Can we remember the last innocent vicitm of Isreals IDF oh yeah it was a mere few weeks ago.

Anyway your showing your blatant hatred of Arabs in the way you speak out… you do realise I am not Arab. Nor are the Argentines and Brazillians who signed the acceptance of a Paliestinian state… you know Isreal is almost universally hated across the globe right now along with America.

I think your argument seriously does not stand up tomuch scrutiny the reason the democratically elected Hamas are being blockaded is to pressure them out, the reason that traitor Abbas is loved by Zionistsis becuase he is thier poodle.

Like I said do you want a poll on the matter? It will help you see things more clearly… :slight_smile:

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One point I will support of yours is the point you make about Hubris of Arab regimes that is quite right... but you cannot justify Isreals treatment of Palestinains and Lebanese on that grounds since those people do not conform to the same values as the actual Arab states... with regardstothe Palestinians plight they have suffered as much from Arab Hubris as the Isrealis if not worse... however as recent changes show the Hubris of those Arab states is being toppled and replaced Insha-Allah with better leadership... if that leadership then rightly supports the Palestinians rather than helps Isreal repress them then indeed Isreal has major cause for concern... though doubtless our friend Yahoo thinks Isreal is allmighty and echoes the same Hubris he alleges towards Arab's :)

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How tyical! You also need to expand your vocabulary a bit. Calling everything pathetic makes your responses even more so. :slight_smile:

Hah. What is this supposed to mean? Doesn’t make any grammatical sense unfortunately.

There is a thing known as preemptive stike. Great states don’t wait until you are attacked; they act proactively and nip the problem in the bud.

Why on earth should I care whether you are Arab or not?

Again it is only your figment of imagination that Israel and America are “universally hated.” In any case they are not as disgraced and humiliated as Arabs.

Abbas recognizes Israel’s right to existence; Hamas doesn’t. But why should it have any bearing on anything, right? Plus rocket attacks are all kosher!

Only fools need to see the consensus of the majority to formulate their positions on a particular stance. I am perfectly capable of thinking on my own. :slight_smile:

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I call that state Terrorism as do most people... a truly great nation can still rise afterbeing hit first... as did Russia after operation Barborossa, The US after Pearl Harbour and Egypt in1973 under Shaazly.

Really now... It's clear you hate Arabs we get the picture... :)

So you arein favour of Dictators and have no belief in democracy right? Really and you think it should be me who thinks before I post? You do realise how pathetic and petulant you sound right now dont you?

Mate the Arab Isreali issue cannot be discussed without making refference to one side or the other... you cannot blameme for thinking your some kind of Zionist thug due to your stance (which I'm sure your not becuase even those thugs have better knowledge than yourself) likewise I cannot blame you for assuming I am some right wing islamist Arab going Jihad on you... which is also incorect I am merely trading your lies with the truths :)

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Terrorism is when someone commits violence to achieve a political objective. If a state acts in self defense and targets a non-state actor, which is clearly planning to target its citizens, then most international relations’ experts agree that it is not terrorism. It is true great nations can and do recover after being attacked but the price to pay--for both the country being attacked and the one that attacks it, and sometimes especially for the latter, as for Japan after the Pearl Harbor attack-- is sometimes so profound, so devastating that it is better to act beforehand.

There is no reason why I should. I do not hate Arabs; if anything, I somewhat pity them. The citizens that is, not the autocratic leaders of many of the states. And that is only because of their lost potential. I think many Arabs need to sort out their priorities. They have been manipulated and fed decades of hogwash that somehow Israel is behind the woes inflicting their nations and the constant fixation with Israel has stunted their progress. I am sure Arabs are not intellectually impaired in any way; they too can achieve the success in science, arts and innovation and development and be at par with or ahead of the Europeans or Americans as they once were a few centuries ago. :)

I think drawing too many conclusions is inadvisable because public policy has not been under discussion. A person, including a policy maker, can personally and secretly differ even if the majority does not agree; that does not mean that person imposes *his/her opinion on others. And therein lays the key difference: between believing in something and imposing that belief on anyone who doesn’t agree. You might have wanted to sway my opinion by carrying some sort of a poll to show the majority doesn’t agree with me. I said I can't be convinced of something just because the majority says so. What I believe as right or wrong does not ultimately depends on the permission or the views of others. So long as I am not *shoving my opinions down others' throats, it should not affect or concern anyone else what I believe in.

Let’s not make assumptions, shall we. And let’s not get into petty fights by suggesting that you are “merely trading your lies with thruths” because that is clearly not being done. And I am sure you know that so it was probably said in humor! By the way I never assumed “you were right wing islamist Arab going Jihad.”

I think we can both agree that our opinions differ and we do not agree on this particular issue. However, I
am sure there are a lot of other issues on which we see eye to eye on. And that I think is alright if we don’t on this one. As they say ”I might not agree with what you say but I will fight for your right to say it.” :)

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Very well on this point I will certianly agree with you.

I am happy to let the matter rest at that then... and wish you all the best. It really was a pleasure to debate with yourself and you certainly did very well, we both come out of it deeply entrenched in our views but at the end of the aruements we both now have a better understanding of the others views and this will indeed help bring us to terms in the near future.

At the end of the day we both hope for lasting peace in the Middle East, and though we may disagree on many aspects at least we share a common goal.

As I said my friend it's been a pleasure. :)

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It has been a real pleasue for me as well disussing the matter with you. I agree we both learned from each other. And you are very right we both share the same goal of lasting peace and a peaceful, prosperous Middle East. May that goal be achived sooner rather than later.
Take care. :)

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All the best my friend :)

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:)

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Have you ever heard of the Technion – Israel Institute of Technology ? Two scientists from this institute won the 2004 Nobel Prize for Chemistry. Now are you trying to say that this was due to US help ? I can give you many more examples like this, but I think you are too biased to see beyond the brain washing you've received.

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^ Just as a side note I think the Nobel peace prize is one of the greatest example of pointless irony and other than a political billboard it serves very little purpose anymore a real shame. :(

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Forget the Nobel peace prize, but the Nobel science prizes have been awarded for years for excellence & innovation in the field of physical sciences and their credibility is unquestionable.

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Very well credit where it's due then :) Still I think we have established that the majority of Isreali millitary hardware is thanks to the US. That said same goes for the Arab states so they are as bad as each other.:)

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Dude just stay out of this thread. You have no idea what you're talking about. Stick to India since that's your only delusional expertise.

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As for Nobel prize winners, Pakistan won one too!!! So did Bangladesh! That doesn't mean anything. You're so inept it's sad!

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I dont quite agree, Faris bhai ! Israel's nuclear program was started with French support and Israel routinely partners with Germany on weapons development programs. This is no different than other countries who have technology exchange programs. However, what it does show is that its not just dependant on US help like some uninformed/biased sources would have one believe.