Worried Israel: Encircled by enemies again?

Worried Israel: Encircled by enemies again?

BINYAMIN NETANYAHU, prime minister of Israel’s hawkish coalition government, makes no secret of his queasiness about Egypt’s upheaval and his fear that the peace treaty with Israel’s giant Arab neighbour could unravel after 32 years. The prospect of an Egyptian government that included the Muslim Brotherhood, let alone one that were led by it, plainly gives him the creeps. For one thing, it might open the Egyptian border with Gaza (see article), so strengthening the Brothers’ Palestinian offshoot, Hamas, whose charter calls for the Jewish state’s destruction. People close to Mr Netanyahu mutter darkly about the “Hamas-isation” of Egypt, a possibility that fills most Israelis not just on the right, with dread. “Half of the Palestinian people have already been taken over by Iran,” says Israel’s prime minister, with barely a hint of conscious hyperbole.

The Egyptian upset is heightening a sense of encirclement that has not been felt so acutely by Israelis in decades. In Lebanon to the north, a pro-Western prime minister has recently been displaced by one backed by Hizbullah, the Shia party-cum-militia that is armed and sponsored by Iran. To the north-east, Syria, also on friendly terms with Iran, seems resolute in its support for Hamas. Meanwhile Iran itself, Israel’s biggest bugbear in the wider region and governed by a mercurial president fired with righteous anger towards Israel, moves steadily towards getting a nuclear weapon.

Perhaps even more worrying for Israel is a rising fear that on its eastern flank the ruling monarchy in Jordan, the only Arab country bar Egypt that has a formal treaty with the Jewish state, is being shaken by an assortment of Islamists, tribal leaders, Palestinians (who make up a good half of Jordan’s people), disgruntled former security men and a middle class irritated by the royal family’s perceived extravagance.
In the past year relations with Turkey, once a rare friend of Israel in the Muslim world, have gone from cool to icy. In the words of one of Mr Netanyahu’s colleagues, Israel is surrounded by a “poisonous crescent”. “We are in the midst of a regional earthquake,” says one of his ministers, clearly horrified by its possible reverberations.

Meanwhile, peace talks with the Palestinians have broken down, apparently irretrievably. The chances of their revival during Mr Netanyahu’s term in office, which has two years to run, seem negligible. Mr Netanyahu roundly blames the Palestinians for their supposed intransigence, an analysis not shared by American or European mediators and monitors, who castigate Israel’s government for refusing to freeze the building or expanding of Jewish settlements in the West Bank, the main bit of a future Palestinian state.

Mr Netanyahu lays particular stress on Israel’s claimed need, if a Palestinian state were to emerge on the West Bank, to retain a military presence there; neutral foreign forces, provided by NATO, as suggested in previous negotiations, would not suffice. “What will prevent infiltration through the Jordan Valley?” he asks. “It requires an Israeli presence to prevent a takeover by Iran’s proxies.” Ministers in Israel’s ruling coalition repeatedly raise the possibility that Hamas might one day oust Mr Abbas’s milder Palestinian party. Some argue that Mr Abbas’s peace talk is a tactical ploy. “A peace treaty does not itself guarantee peace,” warns Mr Netanyahu bleakly. With such suspicions to the fore of his thinking, it is hard to see how a deal based necessarily on mutual trust could ever be struck.

Israel’s centrist opposition leader, Tzipi Livni insists that she came close to sealing a peace deal in 2008 with the Palestinians when she was foreign minister in the government replaced by Mr Netanyahu’s coalition. She excoriates what she sees as Mr Netanyahu’s hawkish ineptitude and his apparent belief that Israel will always be surrounded by an army of enemies infused with a murderous anti-Semitism.

As if Israel’s predicament in a region that may soon become more hostile is not bad enough, two more fears are nagging away. Mr Netanyahu and his colleagues are plainly discomfited by what they see as a burgeoning campaign, especially in the West, to erode Israel’s legitimacy. They cite what they deem unfair attitudes over such issues as the Turkish flotilla Israel stopped from sailing to Gaza, killing nine Turks in so doing, and the UN’s Goldstone report critical of Israel’s war in Gaza in 2009. “We are being denied our legitimate right to self-defence,” sighs one of them. Israel’s growing isolation in forums such as the UN is a gnawing worry. “If we are thrown to the wolves, we have a problem,” says a minister.

The West’s loyalty is another worry. Few of Mr Netanyahu’s people have a good word for Barack Obama. Some already accuse him of “losing” Egypt. Others see the White House as a lost cause, whereas liberal Democrats, including Jewish ones, seem increasingly unfriendly. But at least, in Israel’s government view, Congress and the Republicans are holding firm.

A resolution may soon be aired in the UN Security Council condemning Israel’s refusal to freeze the West Bank settlements. A year ago America would have been sure to veto it. It will probably do so again. But such acts of support can no longer be guaranteed, filling Israelis with foreboding. In the end, doubts about America let alone Europe, may be more menacing than Islamist governments in Egypt. Indeed, some mediators think a rougher environment, both in the region and overseas, is the only way that Israel will be pressed towards giving Palestinians a proper state.

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My comments: The fall of the Mubarak regime in Egypt has led to the re-opening of the Rafah crossing in Gaza and the reported crossing of Iranian warships through the Suez Canal towards Syria. I believe that Israel is now in a much weaker position and the Palestinian leadership has a historic chance to exploit this and achieve their legitimate national aspirations.

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My thoughts too...

I would also add that it's hightime the rest of the Arab world united in sorting out the Isreal problem originally I had no problem with a two state solution and when i was young the Arafat and Rabeen coalition would I am certain have acheived a peacefull resolution. Since then Isreal has acted no different to Hamas they have made every effort to destroy the true Palestinain people and have gone so far as to eradicate anyone who does not agree with thier views. This sort of policy has made me think twice and much like the Palestinain people unless Isreal changes its ways most Palestinains like anyone else wont be crying much if the whole Zionist state was simply tossed into the Sea.

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and how would uniting arab world bring a solution?
any road maps?

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Becuase up till very recently there had always been a united arab world, furthermore the Palestinians are also Arabs or at least human beings and the way they are treated by neighbouring countires is part of the problem... you see if you were a first generation palestinain seperatist, you have no place to go... go to Jordan or Syria and they will treat you like a dog, before the rise of Hezbollah in Lebanon the Palestinains were slaughtered like sheep... in any Arab country they go they are seen as under the level of the populations there... so Palestinains have no option but to fight Isreal and stand thier ground against a force that daily chips away at the ground they stand on...

If anyone has any idea about the Isreal Palestine conflict they will know that the Arab world has a lot to say for it, its time Countries like Egypt, Jordan and Syria stopped strangling the Palestinians at Isreal's behest and help thier fellows overcome what is a Sadistic and Horrible occupying force... the Zionist state is a monstrousity a stain on humnity the way they have killed, butchered, evicted, pursued and raped the Palestinain people is no different to the way the Nazi's massacred the fore-runners to the Isreali's.

As for road maps yes indeed Isreal could be strangled and blockaded like it has blockaded Palestine, take away vital supplies and cut off Isreal with it's American feeders and we will soon see what a poor monster it really is... let the Zionists feel the effects of an embargo and they will soon learn to accept a two state solution. One need not raise armies and invade Isreal to make a point if the Arab countires stood by the Palestinains as a united front against Isreal then the region will soon change for the better.

Those of you who think Isreal can win another confrontation with the Arab world are not aware of how much the millitary structure has changed, Isreal is no longer the invincible tip of the colonial sword into Arab lands, it is now the weakened bear which has lost many teeth when it tangled with Hezbollah in 2006.

It is a prime oppurtunity for the Arabs to redeem themselve but wether they will do so or continue to suck up to Isreal and America is yet to be seen...

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^ ^ Wow that is a long reply.
can you explain me the two state solution briefly if you dont mind. pardon my ignorance on this point.

i agree with most of your points though, no more human blood needs to flow on this issue anymore.

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Well I think both parties are fighting over a lot more than just a change in Religion and what not, otherwise the Isrealis would have been happy with having most of the state they hold, the fact they wanted everything up to the Sinai penisula which is more than the Biblical Judea ever encompassed is a mere hint at the imperial ambition behind them.

Likewise Arab world has always seen the Eastern mediteranean as a weak gateway to thier World remember that historically the West has always been shoving it's force in through that gateway... so to have an Arab and Muslim power in that strategic area is obvious too...

I believe there should be a unique solution by which the region is divided not only on religous grounds becuase then all three major faiths will clash over one patch of turf, but a solution which relies on a delicate balance of power, I dont want to partition the country the way many shrines in the region are partitioned for Jews and Arabs to enter through different sectors...

I would rather see a mixed parlaiment where laws defend both sides fairly and this nonsense of hate between one faction over another has to stop. Education is important too I am not myself of Middle Eastern origin though my belief certianly is however I have taken the trouble to learn and respect the differences so only those who can respect these things should be allowed to hold power.

I think Isreali and Palestinain peoples need to learn to live side by side and stripping both sides of outside money and weapons is the first important step that has to be taken. Isreal should stand up as a nation not an occupying force and learn to live with people who are as old as they are themselve... the trouble is both sides think they have more rights.

Give them a yard and they will grab a mile, this has to stop particularly with the Jewish settlements which are one of the root causes. Palestinians are so angry becuase nobody listens to them.

I have witnessed a lot of terrible things first hand and many things are not that far in the distant past.... the fact is those with power at the moment should step aside and literally give the weaker people a chance to decide thier own fate. Sadly such is the way of this world that some men drive people like cattle.

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Isnt it inevitable, that a state who's existence is so precarious, and so reliant on the force of arms, finally buckle under the pressure of its own existence?

Israel seems like such a neurotic society. Everything is a threat, everyone is a potential enemy. Its only a matter of time before things fall apart completely. You cant live on the defensive for ever.

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strangely Isreal's defence strategy is among the most aggresive ever... I mean there is literally a foot thick document catologing the Zionist states campaigns outside it's territory from Mossad agent attacks to full blown raids involving whole regiments crossing borders and destroying townships in the name of self defence.

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Its really insane. Everything is about survival for them. I mean if ever there was an example of a national complex, they are it. Talk about paranoid Schizophrenic!

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:konfused: And whats wrong in that ?

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lol… Whats wrong with being paranoid?

Nothing, if your paranoid.. :hehe:

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And you don’t think they have reason to be paranoid, with Islamic states swearing the destruction of the state of Israel ?

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There is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to survive. It is a basic instinct and for me definately one of the paramount ones.

However the Isreali strategy is utterly counterproductive. Instead of investing money in spreading peacefull ways of living in harmony they deliberatley evict others to make spaces for themselves regardless of international law and human sense. They are merciless and cruel in executing the furtherance of a Zionist state, even orthodox Jews recognise that Zionism is ruining the Middle East and making what was once a flourishing oasis of culture into a brutal Crusades era bloodbath.

I doubt the Isreali's realise they are antagonising people who not only outnumber them but hold the moral high ground, they are using ruthless force and nobody will spare them when thier time comes... I hope that they realise this and change thier ways before many thousands more lives are lost to this brutal conflict.

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Look brother I am not sure that you have any idea how deep this conflict runs, if you had any idea of the roots behind this you would realise why much of the hatred the Isrealis have thrown thier way is often thier own fault, just like the case of America.

I am not saying Arab nations are angels either my previous posts show this clearly however the state of Isreal would not be so scared if it had not been so ruthless at the outset. I mean after centuries of Persecution and a proud supporter of the original Jews I am shamed by the way they have become Zionists and instead of hitting back at thier Christian tormentors and pogramers they choose to make panga with Muslims why?

It should the Muslim world who wakes up now as we are the victims of a war we dont deserve, the Islamic world has been the best at surviving it's tormentors and we all know what happens to anyone who makes panga with the Muslim world...

If Isreali hands were not stained with innocent blood they would not have sleepless nights.

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Using your logic - since the Israelis know that they are outnumbered and that given a chance no one will spare them, they have decided that offence is the best form of defence. When their opponents know that their actions will be met with a disproportionate response by Israel, it makes them pause and think twice about trying something against Israel.

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I do not want to debate the Arab Israel conflict, since there cannot be a logical debate on an issue that carries so much passion on both sides. I am not condoning Israel but if you put yourself in Israel's shoes which is surrounded from all sides by enemies, their actions are easier to understand.

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They never knew that when they first settled they are nothing but jackals, oppurtunistic I understand all about pre-emtive strikes and warfare of that nature and detterents but for a detterent to work you need to have a scrap of humanity in yourself too... the Isrealis have long lost any of that.

I have looked at it from a strategic point of view and after the Yom Kippur war it was all over for the Zionist state, that was thier last chance to make a peace, the Oslo accords was close so close to a two state solution that would have been best for everyone. Then we all know who got rid of Rabeen and it was all over for ever...

My friend I think you have very little idea about the conflict at all, your looking at it from a false victims eyes. A propaganda that is often used by the Zionist state but I tell you the real victims will be the Arab and Jewish people who are moved back and forth across the firing lines, the real Judean faith has been watered down and ruined by the Zionists for thier own end.

"Massada will never rise again, for the men who held it died long ago and these jackals stain our honour to this day and to etternity..."

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No not at all. I think they create their own enemies. They are so paranoid, they attack anyone they consider a threat, and in the process create the enemies they seek to defend against.

Which Islamic states are calling for their destruction? Even Ahmadinejad was misquoted when he supposedly said he wanted Israel wiped of the map.

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Israel is its own worst enemy. If they decided to actively seek peace and make concessions, they may actually win peace without firing a shot. But then their bombing civilians, and attacking flotillas, and making people lives miserable, do you expect everyone would lay flowers at their feet?

You know, considering Israels occupation isn't so dissimilar from India's occupation of Kashmir, its no wonder your so sympathetic...

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Israel has never done anything positive to deserve friends in the first place.