Worried Israel: Encircled by enemies again?

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Re: Worried Israel: Encircled by enemies again?

@Faris_Udeen

Dude you were probably not even born when I learned about those wars.

In which you need a refresher since the knowledge you are betraying is not a little deficient on some key aspects.

@Faris_Udeen

As I said I was in Lebanon in 2006 on the ground throughout the whole war from day one, I spoke to victims and fighters from both sides

That you were in Lebanon or Timbuktu in 2006 doesn’t, unfortunately, change facts on the ground…

@Faris_Udeen

…to this day I continue to have good relations with both parties involved I am best friends with an officer in the IDF we trained together on several excersies.

Irrelevant self-advertisement, even if true.

@Faris_Udeen

As for wether Hezbollah informed me or not for the record my source on casualties was the Dr Al Ali the chief spokesman for the Lebanese commitee which conducted the body count.

LOL. I wonder how impartial the “Lebanese commitee [sic]” was considering the country’s own Prime Minister was unabashedly crying on the international stage while begging for a ceasefire. Just because the Lebanese government doesn’t differentiate between Hez-bu-lah’s terrorists and civilians and would rather hush hush the casualties suffered by the former doesn’t mean everyone else does so as well.

@Faris_Udeen

I am probably in a better position to give details on the war than yourself.

This is not a joke forum. In serious discourse, personal claims to the effect “I-saw-this-heard-that” do not amount to much. There is a difference between stating facts and mumbling anecdotal evidence.

@Faris_Udeen

It is evident from your pathetic rhetoric that you are clearly the one who has no idea what your talking about and arguing with you is useless

Jeez. Getting personal again. Learn to make your point in a civilized manner instead of getting so worked up.

@Faris_Udeen

since you cannot even agree to facts that 99% of Isreali citizens dont dispute…

Did you personally conduct a referendum to gauge the feelings of “99% of Israeli citizens” on the issue? Pulling numbers from the thin air again, aren’t you? Haha.

@Faris_Udeen

… if you want to you can trawl through the endless Isreali reports on the war, all conclude Isreal lost.

Once again a glaring misrepresentation of reality. Just because you have concluded that “Israel lost” does not mean “endless Israeli reports” have as well. Duh!

@Faris_Udeen

Since your last statement about Nukes clearly shows, you have not even the smallest grasp of millitary matters, to you it’s like a game to me it was and is a way of life.

LMA0. There is delicious irony to savor when one contrasts your obstinate pomposity, as evident quite aptly in this diatribe, with some of your other exaggerations, misrepresentations and erroneous claims that have been thoroughly rebuffed.

@Faris_Udeen

Finally I am going to open a thread on the Lebanon Isreal war to show everyone what really happened and for Zionist supporters like yourself I have to burst the bubble and tell you that since 1948 Isreal has lost it’s supposed myth of invincibility…

Repeating something ad nauseam is quite futile when all the facts suggest to the contrary.

@Faris_Udeen

My hero Saad al Shazly (with whom I met some time ago) destroyed any myth of Isreali supremacy in the region when he re-took the entire Sinnai peninsula in a celebrated suprise attack, to egotistic millitarily illiterates like you and zionist sycophants he showed the whole world that a force which lacks air superiority can still smash another country in a war, back then Isreal knew it was game over and to this day they know it is Egypt that holds the Sinnai peninsula… strictly speaking were it not for Sadat’s interference in the matter and the incompetence of the Syrians Isreal would have come out a lot worse, or it would not have come out at all. Milliatry analysts all over the world have named the manouver after Shaazly, it is a textbook method of assymetric warfare but I am sure you couldn’t care less since like Isreal your arguments and defence is shrinking with each post you make.

Your incoherent rant doesn’t change the fact that, unfortunately for you, your great hero could not ultimately force Israel to withdraw from Sinai or, for that matter, save Egypt from facing humiliation once again from Israel. So much for Shazly’s heroics! A humbled and humiliated Egypt had to turn to Israel-Egypt Disengagement Treaty of 1974 and the Sinan Interim Agreement a year later in the hope of persuading Israel to hand Sinanai back through diplomacy. As for what would and could have been, all conjecture pertaining to that is, frankly, hogwash.

@Faris_Udeen

Furthermore in 2006 they were beaten by an enemy they underestimated, and they still havent recovered.

That is only *your *subjective assessment of the situation, and as far as “recovery” is concerned, just go read about how Gaza was completely pounded without much ado in the 2009 Israeli-Gaza war.

@Faris_Udeen

Isreal is a countery surrounded by enemies… it’s Nukes are a liabiltiy to itself as well when you consider that if it was to nuke every nieghbour that hated it’s existence it would in turn destroy itself too.

Ever heard of a deterrent? Why on earth would Israel nuke “every nieghbour [sic] that hated it’s [sic] existence?” It is nothing but ridiculous to even entertain the possibility that it would.

@Faris_Udeen

If Isreal does not wake up to the fact that it has to play ball rather than act the victim and play the bully it will dig itself into a bigger hole, it’s allready one of the most hated regimes in the world, so much for prospects.

Sorry to burst your bubble again but Israel’s prospects are actually quite bright compared to those of the sorry states that surround it. Unlike Arabs, Israelis have not been engulfed by decades of habitual hating. The Arabs’ hubris has only stunted, possibly irrevocably, the progress of their states; Israel remains vibrant and dynamic.

@Faris_Udeen

As for the argument that it does not rely on outside help… it has been proven so many times that it does indeed rely on outside help and no matter what Zionist sycophants say the majority of people are smart enough to know otherwise.

As explained in detail earlier even North Korea relies on outside help. It would be preposterous to expect that it should not.