World Bank studies says 1.3% study in Madrasses

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Only 1.3pc children attend madressahs: WB

WASHINGTON, June 7: Contrary to a perception about proliferation of madressah education in Pakistan, just 1.3 per cent of children in the country’s four provinces attended seminaries, says a World Bank funded survey released recently in Pakistan.

Authors – Tahir Andrabi, Jishnu Das, C. Christine Fair, and Asim Ijaz Khwaja – published an article in the June issue of the Foreign Policy magazine, discussing various options for reforming the education system in Pakistan.

According to this survey, nearly 65 per cent students in Pakistan attend public schools and about 34 per cent attend non-religious private schools.

The study also rejects the perception that madressahs are the last resort of the poor. The authors claim that the socio-economic profiles of madressah and public school students are quite similar.

A very small number of households enrol at least one child full time in a seminary, but 75 per cent of them send their other children to non-religious schools.

The authors note that legislation in the US House Foreign Affairs Committee over a new aid package for Pakistan focusses on eliminating madressahs with ties to terrorism and reforming public schools. They argue that such an approach, although well-intentioned, risks failure.

The study points out that past attempts to influence the structure of Pakistani public schools and seminaries have been largely ineffective. It proposes that instead of “focussing on madressahs and public schools, the donor community should take note of a striking change in the Pakistani educational landscape: the emergence of mainstream and affordable private schools”.

According to this study, non-religious private schools now enrol one third of Pakistani students. This sector is dramatically expanding. In 1983, there were roughly the same number of madressahs and private schools in the country – 2,563 madressahs and 2,770 private schools. By 2005, there were five times as many private schools. The growth in private schools has increased since the 9/11 terrorist attacks, while madressah growth has stayed relatively flat.

Data collected by the authors as a part of the largest-ever longitudinal study of education in Pakistan find that private schools are cost-effective and affordable. “They keep costs low because they are ‘mom and pop-managed’, for-profit, independent schools, unsubsidised by the government and responsive to local demands for education.”

The study claims that while education standards all over Pakistan are poor, private schools outperform government schools at all income levels. In three districts of rural Punjab where the project team tested more than 25,000 primary-grade students, private school children outperformed those attending government schools by a large margin. Data collected by the authors show that the same students learn more when they switch from public to private schools and learn less when they leave private schools for public schools.

The authors claim that this higher quality comes at a lower cost. Most private schools in villages of Pakistan charge a monthly fee of less than a single day’s wage for an unskilled worker. And it costs less than half as much to educate a child in a private school as it does in a public school. For these reasons, private schools are expanding from urban and suburban areas into Pakistan’s countryside.

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achem As I was saying very interesting information indeed. 1.3% study in Madarassahs. This proves effectively the misconception among expat Pakistanis that our rural folk are hard core crazies who know nothing about Islam.

Most study in government schools or if they can afford them private schools. They people of Pakistan aren’t crazy fundos.

Rather what it proves is how disconnected people on this website are with Pakistan.

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Is that 1.3% of all school going children?

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No clue. I suggest you search the World Bank Website.

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Since you posted this, can you provide the methodology of this study?

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Nope.

Then this article and its numbers are next to meaningless.

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LMAO! Yes of course. The World Bank article and its numbers are meaningless. :hehe:

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^^ As if you ever backed your claims! It is a series of papers by a couple of Harvard professors:

http://ksghome.harvard.edu/~akhwaja/papers/madrassa_CER_dec05.pdf
http://ksghome.harvard.edu/~akhwaja/papers/madrassas_beyondcrisis_final.pdf

An excerpt from the 2nd study:

Contrary to popular claims, madrassa enrollment in Pakistan is low, accounting for less than 1 percent of total enrollment. In proportion to overall enrollment it has not increased during the 1990s nor since the events of 9/11 and beyond. Moreover, of the less than 1 percent of families that have at least one child in a madrassa, three fourths have another child in a public or a private school. Belief about the high revalence of madrassa enrollment in Pakistan is an example of conventional wisdom in the classic Galbraithian sense—we accept these flawed estimates simply because they are acceptable. However, under a more demanding empirical lens, they fail to hold up. The reality is unrelated to conventional wisdom.

And if you do not know how to read an academic paper, an explanation by one of the authors:

The Madrassa myth | Dani Rodrik’s Blog

I wonder if the Dawn blogs are more reliable than those studies.

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Aww...you gave him the info he needed. I wanted to mock his stupidity further.

Anyway the Harvard professor's website (Dani Rodrik) has links to the FP article and the world Bank studies.

You will have no trouble finding the methodology and considering Rodrik has placed his stamp of approval on the article you gotta be a real dumbass to consider any fault in it.

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LOL, you had to act out didn't you? All you had to do was provide the backing information which kakaballi provided. It will be interesting to go over it.

I wonder if this 1.3% number reflects the madrassas that act as boarding schools as well.

1.3% is a lower figure then I had feared, which could mean that a larger percentage of madrassa students are being taught extremism or the extremism is more widespread in society beyond madrassas. One thing is clear, support of jihadism is found among all levels of society, including the elite.

But I think this study corroborates research done by Pervez Hoodbhoy in where he noted how public school are the ones teaching some of the worst kind of mythical facts about muslims and non muslims. It will be important to see how private schools are doing in this regard.

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If its meaningless why do you care what the study says?

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1.3% is a lower figure then I had feared, which could mean that a larger percentage of madrassa students are being taught extremism or the extremism is more widespread in society beyond madrassas. One thing is clear, support of jihadism is found among all levels of society, including the elite.
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Support your claims with proof. And don't say because you are Pakistani or know Pakistani society. Because obviously you don't.

kehki! methodology kis baat ki maang rahay ho ye study kia CM ne perform ki hai? kamal baat kartay ho tum bhi

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The most encouraging part of the article is

"....... madrassas are in fact not the real revolution in the Pakistani educational landscape but rather it is affordable private non-religious “mom-and-pop” schools that now dot the (rural) landscape".

It is not the corrupt and inefficient govt. that is providing the solution, it is people taking initiative on their own.

Wow, you're just being dense now. It's meaningless without knowing what the 1.3% means. 1.3% of what? Of households? Of people who send other kids to regular schools? Of urban population? Of rural population. Of school age children? Of school age children who actually go to school? That's why I asked about methodology. I suggest you take a research 101 course.

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No you asked to discredit the report, which is just retarded honestly. And to quote your own words:

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Then this article and its numbers are next to meaningless.
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Yet another thread for Paks to duke it out, while our beautiful country burns in the hands of Talibanic menace.

The report is interesting. One should read it without prejudice and perhaps if possible, compare it with other reports.

The bottom line as per this report is:

Pakistan has between 200,000 to 800,000 students enrolled in the madrassahs. Yes this number may look tiny when you take percentages. But remember the base number aka Pak population is HUGE, so a tiny fraction can mean LARGE numbers.

One can also argue that 200K - 800K are not ALL fundoos and terrorists.

But the issue is that we have relegated 200K - 800K of our future generations to a medieval teaching system that is totally out of line with the contemporary way of life.

Add to the mix the most often abused and disused concept of Jihadism and you got a recipe for an epic disaster.

and we don't have to ASSUME things, they are happening right in front of our eyes, the death, the destruction, the bombings, the flogging, the headchopping all in the name of OUR religion Islam in OUR beautiful country Pakistan.

Still there are those who are saying summun bukmun and continue repeating "main na maanoo" and "sub acha hai" like their king of ingnorants aka Abu Jahil.

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You base those figures on what exactly?

Don't do an Kehkehsahn/MQM on me now!

Please read the WB report.

Yes, 1.3% by itself is meaningless. I could tell you that 60% are terrorists. A meaningless statistic by itself.

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is it the educational system in Pakistan that needs to be reformed or other even more fundamental factors?

secondly, US congress can only do so much. If Pakistan has invested so much that 65% of all students go to public school, shouldn't the focus be in improving that system rather than trying to recreate it all over again in private sector? that will take decades!

I for one don't see the connections between lack of formal education and propensity to terrorism.