World Bank studies says 1.3% study in Madrasses

aam_bandha · June 9, 2009, 7:57pm

There are 1.5 million !!! children studying in “Deeni Madaris” … according to the Pakistan government’s ministry of education …

http://www.moe.gov.pk/Deeni%20Madaris%202004-05%20and%202005-06T3.pdf

CM · June 10, 2009, 4:55am

I did. That is why I am asking where you got those figures. More importantly I want to know if you discounted for age groups, gender and location when you came up with that retarded figure?

Khek - Good to know you consider world bank figures meaningless. They must be so upset.

Aam banda typical. Don't agree with the world Bank but agree with the Pakistan Govt because it suits your political agenda. Do you Indians have no more fibre at all?

Khehkeshan · June 10, 2009, 5:38am

Thanks for posting this. Puts things into perspective, unlike percentages on their own.

CM · June 10, 2009, 6:44am

Re: World Bank studies says 1.3% study in Madrasses

LMAO! The World Bank figures are meaningless. But figures that the Government of Pakistan provides that are 3 or 4 years old are relevant.

Captain_FT · June 10, 2009, 7:51am

prince charming

Link: DAWN.COM | National | Only 1.3pc children attend madressahs: WB

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Only 1.3pc children attend madressahs: WB

WASHINGTON, June 7: Contrary to a perception about proliferation of madressah education in Pakistan, just 1.3 per cent of children in the country’s four provinces attended seminaries, says a World Bank funded survey released recently in Pakistan.

Authors – Tahir Andrabi, Jishnu Das, C. Christine Fair, and Asim Ijaz Khwaja – published an article in the June issue of the Foreign Policy magazine, discussing various options for reforming the education system in Pakistan.

According to this survey, nearly 65 per cent students in Pakistan attend public schools and about 34 per cent attend non-religious private schools.

The study also rejects the perception that madressahs are the last resort of the poor. The authors claim that the socio-economic profiles of madressah and public school students are quite similar.

A very small number of households enrol at least one child full time in a seminary, but 75 per cent of them send their other children to non-religious schools.

The authors note that legislation in the US House Foreign Affairs Committee over a new aid package for Pakistan focusses on eliminating madressahs with ties to terrorism and reforming public schools. They argue that such an approach, although well-intentioned, risks failure.

The study points out that past attempts to influence the structure of Pakistani public schools and seminaries have been largely ineffective. It proposes that instead of “focussing on madressahs and public schools, the donor community should take note of a striking change in the Pakistani educational landscape: the emergence of mainstream and affordable private schools”.

According to this study, non-religious private schools now enrol one third of Pakistani students. This sector is dramatically expanding. In 1983, there were roughly the same number of madressahs and private schools in the country – 2,563 madressahs and 2,770 private schools. By 2005, there were five times as many private schools. The growth in private schools has increased since the 9/11 terrorist attacks, while madressah growth has stayed relatively flat.

Data collected by the authors as a part of the largest-ever longitudinal study of education in Pakistan find that private schools are cost-effective and affordable. “They keep costs low because they are ‘mom and pop-managed’, for-profit, independent schools, unsubsidised by the government and responsive to local demands for education.”

The study claims that while education standards all over Pakistan are poor, private schools outperform government schools at all income levels. In three districts of rural Punjab where the project team tested more than 25,000 primary-grade students, private school children outperformed those attending government schools by a large margin. Data collected by the authors show that the same students learn more when they switch from public to private schools and learn less when they leave private schools for public schools.

The authors claim that this higher quality comes at a lower cost. Most private schools in villages of Pakistan charge a monthly fee of less than a single day’s wage for an unskilled worker. And it costs less than half as much to educate a child in a private school as it does in a public school. For these reasons, private schools are expanding from urban and suburban areas into Pakistan’s countryside.

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achem As I was saying very interesting information indeed. 1.3% study in Madarassahs. This proves effectively the misconception among expat Pakistanis that our rural folk are hard core crazies who know nothing about Islam.

Most study in government schools or if they can afford them private schools. They people of Pakistan aren’t crazy fundos.

Rather what it proves is how disconnected people on this website are with Pakistan.

well as far as i know about 70% of children in Pakistan study in madrassahs and most of them belong to poor families

the report is wrong

burqaposhx · June 10, 2009, 5:35pm

There is no hehe about this serious topic.

Quoting percentage alone (as 1.3%) was intellectually incorrect on your part, while people who rejected the WB report outright were off base as well.

The bottom line is that Pakistani madrassahs are churning out 100,000 of students, regardless of the fact as to what Pak gov figures say or WB %ages say.

BTW the WB report had a preconceived idea that Pakistan /USA should support private schools in Pakistan because they are more efficient compared to government schools. The report's emphasis was not to prove anything about Madrassahs the way you ended up starting this thread. This my friend at a minimum is intellectual dishonesty.

peace!

kakaballi · June 10, 2009, 5:53pm

Re: World Bank studies says 1.3% study in Madrasses

^ The titles of the papers are:

**Religious School Enrollment in Pakistan
A Look at the Data

Madrassa Metrics: The Statistics and Rhetoric of Religious Enrollment in Pakistan**

If you think the emphasis was not on Madrassas, it is at a minimum lack of intellectual capacity.

burqaposhx · June 10, 2009, 6:04pm

Perhaps you are right.

But do read the full report. This is a mistake not to read the report (or at least skim through it).

CM picked up on the title only, and so did his opponents.

We the posters on this forum are blessed with so much from Allah. Thus it is important that we not indulge in misusing these figures as they deal with the future of our beautiful country.

As I said before, Pakistani madrassahs are churning out 1000s of student every year and the enrollment in such places is in the tune of 200K to 800K as per the WB report.

That LARGE number cannot be relegated to "smallness" based on 1.3% misquoted figure.

That's all.

Get serious guys. Otherwise soon our country will be looking like Chad-infested Islamic Republic of Sudan, or worse Islamic Emirates of Afghanistan or some other gad-forsaken tribal cesspool of Africa.

kakaballi · June 10, 2009, 6:12pm

Re: World Bank studies says 1.3% study in Madrasses

^ I dont have problems with the number. And I did read the report. Rather, I had to. I does talk about madrassas and how private schools are filling the void left by the public schools. You should rather be happy that its not madrassa schools filling the void.

We all know the problems with madrassas, public schools and private schools. About time we do something to improve the situation.

P.S. Closing down madrassas is NOT a solution.
P.S. II. Bombing all the madrassas is definitely NOT a solution.

Khehkeshan · June 10, 2009, 6:53pm

Challo, the jamati “santific” method has now been introduced to the thread. Hide your children…

aam_bandha · June 10, 2009, 8:24pm

Figures for “world bank” funded report are also from 2005 … the same year as GOP. Here is the original article on foreign policy magazine refered in Dawn

Foreign Policy: The Madrasa Myth

First, contrary to the public hysteria about madrasas serving as “weapons of mass instruction,” in 2005, just 1.3 percent of children in Pakistan’s four main provinces attended madrasas

Hehehe … world bank funded report … check

The findings, interpretations, and conclusions expressed here are those of the authors and do not necessarily represent the views of the World Bank, its executive directors, or the governments they represent

burqaposhx · June 10, 2009, 10:19pm

Agreed.

Just treat Madrassa as an INSTITUTION.

Then we must ask the government and the army to destroy / ban / closedown / clampdown etc. ANY institution that spreads fasad aka anarchy in the country.

What iqbal said:

Qari nazar aatya hai
haqiqat main hai bum-mar

And bum-mars should be hanged with trees all over the country. Otherwise bum-mari beemari will explode and bomb the whole Pakistan inch by inch, girl school by girl school, college by college, hotel by hotel, and bridge by bridge.