WOOLMER'S MURDER/BODY RELEASED

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The cameras were only showing the corridors on that floor from the two entrances (elevator & stairs) so it did not show woolmer's door in particular as per the news, that is why its not been that conclusive.

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The autopsy reports can ascertain the time of death. Hence they still know who was on that floor during that 1-2 hours. My question still stands.

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New twist: Woolmer not killed after all?

PORT OF SPAIN: Suddenly, there is uncertainty over whether Bob Woolmer was murdered even as a Jamaican newspaper said a blood-soaked pillow had been found in his hotel room and four Scotland Yard officers were set to join the probe, now called Operation Kingfish.

British tabloid The Sun says that the Yard was contacted after doubts emerged. ‘‘Cops privately believe the broken bone in his neck, on which the strangling theory is based, happened as he fell after a heart attack,’’ the tabloid says. So far, the betting mafia, al-Qaida, Dawood Ibrahim and disgruntled fans have been blamed.

But Woolmer’s death has suddenly become the subject of fresh speculation. The Daily Mail, for instance, says “an alternative theory may be just as compelling. Michael Holding has a simple solution: Woolmer’s death was an accident. There is much evidence to support this.”

The Mail suggests that Woolmer fell seriously ill the morning after Pakistan lost to Ireland and went to the bathroom where he vomited violently over the floor and mirror. This theory suggests “the neck bone was either broken in the fall or when the chambermaid who found the body attempted to force open the door”.

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Pakistan holds Woolmer memorial

Pakistani cricket officials are holding a memorial service for murdered coach Bob Woolmer, who was found dead in his Jamaica hotel room two weeks ago.

Pakistan’s cricketers, including captain Inzamam-ul-Haq, are attending the hour-long service at the Sacred Heart Cathedral in the city of Lahore.
Jamaican police, who say Woolmer was strangled, have accepted an offer of help with their inquiry from UK police.
Pakistan is also sending two senior police officers to the Caribbean.
In the cathedral, a large picture of Woolmer was placed next to the altar, which was covered with garlands of flowers and surrounded by candles.
About 350 people were in the congregation.
Woolmer, 58, a former England batsman, had been Pakistan coach since 2004.
He was found dead in his Kingston hotel room on 18 March, the day after the side lost to Ireland and were effectively knocked out of the Cricket World Cup.
Another memorial service will be held on Wednesday in Cape Town in South Africa, a country Woolmer had also coached, and where he lived with his family.
Theories
Jamaican deputy police chief Mark Shields said the aim of the small team of British detectives from Scotland Yard would be to review the investigation.
Police are still scanning CCTV footage from the hotel and examining the hard drive of Woolmer’s computer.
Detectives believe Woolmer probably knew his killer - or killers - as there were no signs of forced entry into his room and none of his belongings had been stolen.
They have said Woolmer was strangled, though Britain’s Sunday Times newspaper quoted experts casting doubt on this theory, because of the apparent lack of bruising on his neck. The paper hypothesised that he may have died of natural causes, while others speculated that he was poisoned. At a news conference on Wednesday, Mr Shields said Woolmer may have been strangled with a piece of fabric - which could explain the lack of marks on his neck.

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Experts doubtful Woolmer was strangled

Some of Britain’s leading forensic pathologists have called for a second autopsy to examine Bob Woolmer’s death after expressing doubts about the evidence suggesting he was strangled.
The experts said the publicly available facts on the case indicated a “highly unusual” murder of a type that none of them had ever witnessed.
While accepting that Jamaican police say they have other undisclosed “factors” which point to murder, the experts believed it would be good practice to seek a second and even third opinion.
Their comments came as a four-man team of Scotland Yard detectives was this weekend preparing to travel to the West Indies to review the investigation to see if clues had been missed.

It is now two weeks into the investigation and police have yet to establish a firm motive or identify a chief suspect. Mark Shields, the deputy commissioner heading the investigation, said he was keeping an “open mind” as to whether the case was murder.
This weekend Shields said it was “likely” the killer’s face had been captured on one of two closed-circuit television cameras outside his hotel room. The murderer may also have been spotted by a chambermaid who entered Woolmer’s room twice on the morning of his death, he added.
Woolmer, 58, a former England player who managed the Pakistan cricket team, was found on the floor of his bathroom at his hotel in Kingston, Jamaica, two weeks ago today. His team had been knocked out of the cricket World Cup the day before by lowly Ireland.
Dr Ere Seshaiah, a Jamaican pathologist, initially said the cause of Woolmer’s death was “inconclusive” but changed his mind after reviewing his autopsy and concluded that the cricket coach was “manually strangled”. There are no plans at this stage for a second postmortem.
**The Sunday Times has spoken to five British forensic pathologists who have studied police announcements and a photograph that shows Woolmer’s head and neck after he died. **
**All five were struck by the fact that there is no obvious bruising on Woolmer’s neck which would indicate he had been strangled – a fact that has been confirmed by the police. **
**Bill Hunt, a former president of the British Association in Forensic Medicine, who chaired a Home Office committee monitoring standards among pathologists, is one of Britain’s foremost experts on strangulation and has written a number of papers on the subject. “From what I have seen and read it is virtually impossible that this is strangulation,” he said. **
**He and other pathologists believed that it would have been very difficult to throttle Woolmer, a 6ft 1in former sportsman. “It is almost impossible to strangle a fit man without a fight and the police say there is no evidence of a struggle. It is virtually impossible to strangle somebody without leaving some marks on the neck.” **
Victims of strangulation fight for their life and often compound the bruising and scratching around the neck by grappling with the assailant.
Hunt’s concerns about the case were shared by Chris Milroy, a professor of forensic pathology at Sheffield University; Dr Hugh White, a Home Office pathologist in the southwest; Dr Jack Crane, the state pathologist for Northern Ireland; and a fourth well-known forensic pathologist who spoke off the record. All qualified their comments by acknowledging that this may be an exceptional case but said they found it very “strange”.
Last week Shields suggested that the lack of bruising could be explained by the attacker using soft material between his arm and Woolmer’s neck. He declined to confirm speculation that this might have been a towel that was found next to the body.
However, Hunt said: “I think it unlikely the there was a ligature used, as the victim would try to pull the ligature off and there would have been marks on his neck from that. If he was strangled through a cloth material, you would expect to find the pattern of the cloth on his skin.”
**White described the towel theory as “nonsense” as it would have left marks and said if an implement had been used “manual strangulation” was, in any case, the wrong terminology. **
Grown men are rarely strangled as there has to be a large inequality of strength: the usual victims are children and women. Crane said: “With manual strangulation you expect to see bruising on the neck. Certainly I don’t think I have ever come across a case where there hasn’t been.”
It has been widely reported that one of the suspicious findings which indicated strangulation was a broken bone in Woolmer’s neck, possibly the hyoid. This, the experts said, was a clue but by no means conclusive. Milroy said the bone could have been broken by a fall in the bathroom, poor resuscitation, rough handling of the body or dissection during the autopsy.
The third possible indicator of strangling is petechiae, blood spots, in the victim’s eyes. It is not clear from photographs whether Woolmer had petechiae but Hunt said these can be easily misdiagnosed. “They can be caused by vomiting and or by the blood rushing to the head if the head is, say, left hanging over a bed after death,” he said.
White said toxicology tests may explain the lack of a struggle if they indicate Woolmer was drugged. But he added: “This is a big heavy man, with no bruising. I honestly have never come across a case like this.
“In this country it is mandatory to bring in a second pathologist when the initial findings are unclear and the Jamaican police really ought to do the same.”
The experts also expressed surprise at reports that Woolmer was still alive when his body was found. Police have not yet revealed the time of his death but last week two senior members of the Pakistan team told The Sunday Times that Woolmer had been unconscious when they went to his room.
“I asked them to give him oxygen but they told me he was stable, he had a pulse,” said P J Mir, the Pakistan team spokesman, who is convinced that Woolmer died of natural causes.
The experts said strangulation victims almost always died while being throttled. “It’s most unusual to have someone alive, found with a pulse. It really is,” said Milroy.
The pathologists said there may be exceptional circumstance only known to the police but cautioned that natural causes can never be ruled out in such difficult cases.
Woolmer suffered from type 2 diabetes and sudden death from a coronary thrombosis or a stroke is a complication with this condition. It is known that Woolmer reported a stomach upset on the day before his death and his team’s coach driver told The Sunday Times last week that he was coughing.
Shields said this weekend: “I have examined the evidence of the injuries to the body, and other external factors which are known to the investigation team, which satisfy me that it is murder. However, by the very nature of being a professional police officer, it is my job to keep an open mind.”
Shields admitted there was frustration with aspects of the investigation. Police are still waiting for toxicology test results and DNA evidence is a long way off.
Claims that there had been a furious row between Woolmer and the Pakistan team on the coach after the Ireland match were denied yesterday by driver Bertram Carr. “There were no arguments, no rows. They were despondent because they lost the game,” he said.

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Did Woolmer die in fall after downing bottle of whisky?

The revelation has fuelled mounting speculation that the Pakistan cricket coach’s death was not murder but a tragic accident. A witness described how the 58-year-old sat alone in the bar of the Hotel Pegasus in Kingston after Pakistan crashed out of the ICC Cricket World Cup and ‘drowned his sorrows’ with a bottle of Johnnie Walker Black Label. The claim adds considerable weight to suggestions by forensic experts that a tiny bone in Mr Woolmer’s neck could have been broken as a result of a fall rather than by strangulation. If accidental death is proved, the already tarnished investigation led by former Scotland Yard detective Mark Shields - who publicly declared he was ‘100 per cent certain’ Mr Woolmer was strangled - will be exposed to worldwide ridicule.

**As four Scotland Yard detectives prepared on Saturday night to fly out to Jamaica to assist in the inquiry, a witness told The Mail on Sunday that Mr Woolmer sat alone on the team bus after the match, looking ‘extremely vexed’. At the hotel, he is said to have begun drinking almost immediately - forsaking his normal solitary glass of wine for the export-strength whisky. **Mr Woolmer’s mood darkened further when most of the Pakistan touring party went off for dinner without him to the home of multi-millionaire car dealer Tariq Malik. Mr Malik said: "Bob was supposed to come around with everyone for a banquet on Sunday - but that was obviously cancelled after his death. “There was an open invitation for him the previous evening but the players told me he stayed back at the hotel drinking Scotch. They said he had drunk up to a bottle and was really drowning his sorrows.” Mr Malik, who moved to Kingston from Pakistan via Kenya 20 years ago, entertained the team at his palatial home for much of the previous week. He said he also met Mr Woolmer twice at the Pegasus. **"The only security I saw at the Pegasus was after Bob’s death,’ said Mr Malik. “Prior to that you could get into the lift and go up to the rooms unchallenged.” **

Although he was contacted by Jamaican police five days ago, Mr Malik has yet to be visited by an officer to record what could turn out to be vital evidence. Police refused to comment on what Mr Woolmer may have drunk before his death until they have studied the results of toxicology and histology tests. Deputy police chief Mr Shields stunned everyone eight days ago when he announced Mr Woolmer had died from asphyxiation after being throttled in his hotel room on March 17. He spoke of clues, which he refuses to reveal publicly, that convinced him the Pakistan World Cup coach was murdered. But concerns about the post-mortem were expressed last week by Dr Garfield Blake, past president of the Jamaican Association of Clinical Pathologists. Pakistani cricket authorities have also questioned the report because there were no visible signs of strangulation and because pathologist Ere Sheshaiah’s initial examination was ‘inconclusive’. Even Mr Shields appeared to waver. He told the media on Thursday: “I will keep an open mind because you never know.” Mr Woolmer’s son, Dale, said yesterday: “Mr Shields keeps my mother informed of every development in the investigation, however small. But he has told us nothing about speculation that my father was not murdered. We have not heard of speculation from other sources either.” There were also reports from Kingston that a blood-soaked pillow that was found in Mr Woolmer’s hotel room had been sent for forensic examination.

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Coach Bob Woolmer death NOT murder

COPS investigating the death of cricket legend Bob Woolmer now believe he may NOT have been murdered after all. Scotland Yard detectives have been briefed by Jamaican investigators — and agree it is possible the Pakistan team’s coach died of a seizure brought on by natural causes. A police source told the News of the World: “Following two weeks of probing, there is no smoking gun.” The embarrassing U-turn came as sources claim Jamaica’s Deputy Commissioner Mark Shields told colleagues he is starting to “strongly doubt the murder theory”. Earlier he had told a journalist he was “100 per cent certain” Woolmer was strangled, based on a second pathologist’s investigation.

Jamaican cops have now asked for a THIRD report after being advised to go “back to square one”. Officers are continuing to plough through evidence and insist they will not finally rule out murder until they have covered every angle. The Yard is awaiting paperwork from the Foreign Office before sending a top team of four homicide detectives to assist with the inquiry. They are likely to fly out on Tuesday or Wednesday. But an initial briefing from Jamaican officers appears to show “no real evidence” so far to support murder. The first medical examination indicated a seizure, possibly brought on by food poisoning or a diabetic fit. This now leads cops to think that Woolmer, 58, may have died alone in his Jamaican hotel room. There are fears the second post-mortem pointing to strangulation may have been bungled, so a new one has been ordered. A police source said: As every day passes we seem to be moving further from any evidence of murder. There are still unanswered questions, and toxicology reports to come back, so officers are keeping an open mind.

But the facts are stacking up against murder.

There are marks on Woolmer’s neck but they are not con-sistent with strangulation. There are no signs that a ligature was used. If he had a seizure he could well have fallen awkwardly and broken a bone in his neck.

The hitman theory is nonsense.

If a professional wanted to kill him they wouldn’t turn up unprepared and strangle him. The Pakistan coach was discovered in a vomit-strewn bathroom at Kingston’s Jamaica Pegasus Hotel the day after his team crashed out of the World Cup, losing to Ireland. It has been revealed a blood-soaked pillow had also been found in the room. But a senior Yard murder squad source said: "There are normally some very clear signs if someone has been strangled. “This doesn’t happen in every case but generally there would be haemorrhaging in the eyeballs and clear bruising around the neck.” Ex-Yard detective Shields is determined to treat the death as a murder “until it can be disproved.” Police are reviewing CCTV from the hotel and still trying to identify nine people shown there the night he died. Shields said: “It’s important we tie up every aspect.” The detective is pinning his hopes for a definite cause of death on tests of body fluids and DNA taken by the pathologists. Shields said the medic in charge, Dr Judith Mowatt, was rightly not prepared to rush her team. Jamaican police plan to interview the Pakistani players again— and are also set to visit Woolmer’s widow Gill in South Africa. A source said: "They are prepared to travel wherever it takes and to leave no stone unturned.
“No one has been let off the hook and officers will question people again and again if they have to.”

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i knew it ... end yehee honaa hey deikh lena saray

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^ ur not the only one who has been thinking this way. Read the whole thread GK..

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Woolmer may have been poisoned: Report

01 Apr 2007
NDTV Correspondent

Two weeks after his death, a new angle has emerged in the murder probe of former Pakistan coach Bob Woolmer.

According to the UK’s ‘Sunday Mirror’, police have received a tip-off that the coach was poisoned by aconite believed to be the “perfect” drug to mask a murder.

The paper says an anonymous man, thought to be from Pakistan, phoned police claiming that aconite killed the coach following which Jamaica’s Deputy Commissioner Mark Shields has ordered new tests on Woolmer’s body.

“The aconite tip is a major breakthrough and is being taken extremely seriously. The man who called Kingston police station had a Pakistani accent and was very specific about aconite and how it was administered,” Shields was quoted as saying by the paper.

“The symptoms Bob suffered before he died are identical to aconite poisoning, which is why it is a major line of inquiry now. It would also explain how such a physically imposing man, at 6-ft 1-in tall, died without putting up a fight. You’d struggle to get two people into his bathroom let alone three, so it could be no-one was there,” the paper added.

Aconite causes the victim’s internal organs to seize and slows down their breathing until they finally stop. Death is usually by asphyxiation within 30 minutes.

Source: http://www.ndtv.com/ndtvcricket/showstory.aspx?id=SPOEN20070007446&site=ndtv

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Iss waqt yehi situation hai k jitnay munh utni baatain.

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^ "Thought" to be from Pakistan? Just imagine. Pakistani accent? What is a Pakistani accent?

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Holy. This crap is getting ridiculous. For heaven's sake, let the man have a proper burial already. How many damned autopsies are they going to do? Its sad how this situation is turning from an emotional passing away to a ridiculous show of incompetence.

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These stupid Jamaicans have bungled up the investigation so throughly that conspiracy theories are never going to die.

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Meanwhile, Rachel Marsden on a recent episode of FOX News says :

Maybe [Pakistani cricket fans] should focus less on cricket and a little more on hygiene"

http://www.salon.com/news/cookie756.html?URL=/news/feature/2007/03/29/marsden/?source=whitelist

The lady’s being groomed to be the next Ann Coulter.

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The Jamaican police headed by Mr.Shields (a.k.a Carmen San diego) in this version of “raiders of the lost strangler” have made Pakistani and Indian police look like Geniuses to say the least.
:smack:

Next they might find that some one used BLACK magic (Voodo) against him.

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Fox kee tau aisee kee tesee…

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A lot of clowns with Shields being the head clown. No wonder Woolmer's widow said she will get an independant autopsy report once she has the body in South Africa.

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Pakistan Cricket Board arranged a memorial service for Woolmer at a Lahore Cathedral.
http://usa.cricinfo.com/australia/content/story/288347.html
Look at the picture. Everyone you see, Inzi, Naseem and even Asif are all somber.
However look at Salman Butt. He seems to be pretty happy about something.

Is he at a wedding or what..:hoonh:

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^
bhai, uss kee shakal hee aisee hai.. uss baY chaaraY kaa kiyaa qusoor?