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Islam does not consider divorced women pious.
courtesy fox news? right. please say so! GOT to be so!
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i got divorced (Alhumdulillah), and i consider myself pious.
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in my opinion, the people here who are ranting and raving about Women's rights and responsiblities in Islam should educate themselves. Speak with a learned scholar, read books, etc, and then make statements. This is for both men and women, Muslim and Non Muslim.
Nothing will change the fact that Islamic rights given to women do not protect them. Her rights are far too mediocre for any society today. Like I said before, ^no one outside of the Muslim world will agree that Islamic rights given to Muslim women are fair.
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then why is it that more and more women are converting to Islam every day??? do they want to become "oppressed"?? i dont think so. like i said, they read and reasearch and like what they learned and inshallah would want find a man that will treat them as the queen that they are.
Non Muslims needs to differentiate between culture and religion. only then they will understand.
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^afshi, I come from a Muslims family. I know too well what goes around in our community and Islam does nothing to protect women from abuse. What's the point of having these rights that she cannot practice? I don't have a good analogy but it almost feels like a very good joke. It's like when you play with children and you let them win. You let them think they won but you know too well you did that to make them happy.
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Also, what you don't head is about Muslims leaving Islam. The percentage of people leaving is far higher. Exmuslims have to hide, do all kinds of things to avoid getting shunned or killed. I consider myself an outspoken exmuslim but Even I don't say anything to my family and relatives when they are talking about Islam. My immediate family knows and my hubby. That's about it. He strongly feels I should keep my mouth shut because if I let it be known, my inlaws are not going to be too happy about it.
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I hope the women in your community are treated well, Inshallah.
Like I said, there are rights, and then there are responsibilities. Niksik had also mentioned this.
If a woman does not think she is being treated the way she is supposed to be treated, then she needs to seek help. And by supposed to be treated, doenst mean that she has a right to a 10 bedroom mansion while her inlaws live in a bungalow (for example). If she is being abused physically, mentally, emotionally, etc, then the responsibilty of her husband to her is not met, and it her right to demand better treatment or ask a mediator to help her out.
Not sure what kind of community you are talking about, pakistani or islamic.
i know a few women that have been in abusive relationships, and while the pakistani community (heck, even her own family) didnt approve of her seeking help, she went to an imam and asked for advice and what her rights and responsiblities are, and he guided her, and Alhumdulillah she is in a waaay better place now.
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^afshi, I come from a Muslims family. I know too well what goes around in our community and Islam does nothing to protect women from abuse. What's the point of having these rights that she cannot practice? I don't have a good analogy but it almost feels like a very good joke. It's like when you play with children and you let them win. You let them think they won but you know too well you did that to make them happy.
So muslim women are comparable to silly children who don't know any better. Right.
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its sad to hear that u say your an ex Muslim.
I really hope and pray that Allah SWT guides you on the Straight Path again.
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Ameen.
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So muslim women are comparable to silly children who don't know any better. Right.
Yes, that's exactly how I feel women are treated in islam -like a well kept maid that can't think for herselًf. God gave her rights when she cried " what about me what about me." god said ok i will play along and let you have this one. Her righta are not practical. She needs a man to be responsible for her just like children need a nanny.
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Yes, that's exactly how I feel women are treated in islam -like a well kept maid that can't think for herselًf. God gave her rights when she cried " what about me what about me." god said ok i will play along and let you have this one. Her righta are not practical. She needs a man to be responsible for her just like children need a nanny.
And you think men don't need a woman in life? Try being a single parent and doing it all by yourself without anyone's help. Try living in a family with no father/mother around. If the only purpose of marriage was halal sex, Prophet saw wouldn't have said it is "half our deen". Why do you think marriage completes half our deen? Why did Allah say "they (women) are clothing for you and you (men) are clothing for them?" A husband and wife fulfil eact other's needs! We depend on men and they depend on us, we both have different responsibilities, simple as that!
God was being cheeky when he gave us the so-called rights? lol. I guess he was also being cheeky when he gave us boobies and a womb, we might as well start complaining why we can't walk around topless and men can, why we have to go through labour and men don't! God gave us free will i.e. right to do whatever the hell we want unless we have submitted to His will in which case we will follow what He has prescribed and happily so Alhumdulillah.
Back in the day, the whole of Makkah laughed at the Prophet saw when he said women actually rights including inheritance rights. They hated him when he said do not bury alive female infants, do not favour raising boys over girls and that "whoever raises two daughters and treats them well will be with me in Paradise like this puts his two index fingers together " As per another hadith, we (the daughters in Islam) are shields for our parents against hell fire. :) And when I become a mother, paradise is going to be under my feet and I must be honoured three times more than the father. That, my dear, is good enough izzat for me.
Take a step back theorist and look at the bigger picture. If Islam meant oppression of women, EVERY SINGLE muslim woman all over the world would be oppressed! The oppression wouldn't miraculously end in a practising muslim family in Ireland. Khair, you're free to believe whatever. May Allah swt be with you.
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And you think men don't need a woman in life? Try being a single parent and doing it all by yourself without anyone's help. Try living in a family with no father/mother around. If the only purpose of marriage was halal sex, Prophet saw wouldn't have said it is "half our deen". Why do you think marriage completes half our deen? Why did Allah say "they (women) are clothing for you and you (men) are clothing for them?" A husband and wife fulfil eact other's needs! We depend on men and they depend on us, we both have different responsibilities, simple as that!God was being cheeky when he gave us the so-called rights? lol. I guess he was also being cheeky when he gave us boobies and a womb, we might as well start complaining why we can't walk around topless and men can, why we have to go through labour and men don't! God gave us free will i.e. right to do whatever the hell we want unless we have submitted to His will in which case we will follow what He has prescribed and happily so Alhumdulillah.Back in the day, the whole of Makkah laughed at the Prophet saw when he said women actually rights including inheritance rights. They hated him when he said do not bury alive female infants, do not favour raising boys over girls and that "whoever raises two daughters and treats them well will be with me in Paradise like this puts his two index fingers together " As per another hadith, we (the daughters in Islam) are shields for our parents against hell fire. :) And when I become a mother, paradise is going to be under my feet and I must be honoured three times more than the father. That, my dear, is good enough izzat for me. Take a step back theorist and look at the bigger picture. If Islam meant oppression of women, EVERY SINGLE muslim woman all over the world would be oppressed! The oppression wouldn't miraculously end in a practising muslim family in Ireland. Khair, you're free to believe whatever. May Allah swt be with you.
Nevrmind, it's a lost cause. I can sit here and argue about the prophet's lifestyle but i have no desire to get banned like others that have tried. I can also argue that women before Islam had more rights and freedom in Arabia. His own wife was a business woman before Islam came around. People buried infant female babies before And after Islam came to be. The prophet wasn't the only man against this practice.Anyway, I have a lot to say on this topic but I will hold on to my words for now. I still wish to stay on gs and be a part of this awesome community of people. I am not here to offend anyone. Most Muslim women are oppressed, it's sad that they are taking this abuse in the name of Islam. Responsibilities and rights change with times. Why are you still stuck in the 7th century?
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theorist - have you spoken to a learned scholar (and not just a regualar pakistani (or any other culture) imam) about your views? have you studied from their books?
i just want to know where you get your information from, and what these scholars (male or female) think about your views.
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^ unlike most Muslims, I have gotten my information directly from the Quran, sahih bukhari, ibn ishaq, and al tabari. I have the history in context. I just don't agree with its views. I have not literally gone to a masjid and talked to an imam but I have heard the lectures of many scholars and no one has answers for my questions unfortunately. It's not even views, I don't agree with the idea of god, Satan, angels, hell or heaven. So I am missing the very fundamentals of faith. Needlessly to say, it's impossible to convince me from the perspective of god and faith.
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I was going to ask theorist to start a thread in the religion forum and list all her questions, doubts and concerns without ofcourse insulting anyone. The people who were banned weren't banned because they asked questions but because they had a different agenda altogether. The day this place starts tolerating derogatory comments about Prophet saw or Islam in general, the day I will boycott it. You can go to youtube for those kinds of discussions.
But then I didn't ask you to create a thread because it doesn't seem like you're in the "seeking knowledge" mode yet. You've said "nothing will change the fact that..." a few times in this thread. What's fact for you isn't actually fact at all but you're not ready to look beyond that and entertain anyone's explaination because to you its all a struggle to justify what's wrong. So I'm going to leave it at that. I'd rather have you discuss these things with a proper scholar than someone online.
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again, sad to hear.
may Islam be with you one day.
you mentioned that you've heard leactures from many scholars...did you have an actual one on one conversation with any of them on how you disagree with all matters of faith?
so you're an atheist (sp?) right?
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I have not personally talked to a celebrity scholar. I don't feel the need to. I lack basic understanding of faith so I know organized religion is not for me. I prefer logic it seems like and religion doesn't seem logical to me. I see it as part of human development and we will grow out of it eventually if we continue looking forward to our future in the world and not in akhirah
Anyway, I am out of this thread. Sorry if I offended any of you. I am playing nice! :D
Yes, I guess you could call me an atheist.
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u didnt offend me..i just want to hear your views/story on how you became an "ex Muslim".
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Barbiecue, I have done my searching, screaming, and kicking. I wont say I have stopped altogether but like you said discussing it with someone online won't helP me learn anything. ^so that's why I am not postif questions that I know you don't hav an answer for. my reason for posting in such thread is to make it interesting and make some of you see it from another point of view even if you don't agree with it. Just like I am here defending my stance but at least I am acknowledging your opposing views.