Womens right to divorce, given by her husband

[Gr8Heera]

Nikah nama is sort of a registration for state and not required by any Islamic sect, meaning you can be husband and wife for all your life without nikah nama. So strictly speaking from the Islamic point of view, what's written on Nikah nama is irrelevant.

In Sunni sect, Talaq occurs only when husband says or writes or tell a friend to tell his wife or any other way but it only occurs when husband says it 3 times. Wife can request for KHULA in Islamic shariya council and if allowed by that council, the Mufti or Qazi can nullify that nikah.

Also understand this, Talaq is the only permitted right for men that Allah Tallah dislikes the most.

I am so surprised to read most of the comments on this topic. I think we are very near the Qayamat because a simple issue like Talaq is misunderstood by Muslims. and BTW, Issue of Talaq is defined very clearly and in details in Quran itself so any Hadis on this can be ignored if it suggests anything other than what Quran has ordered.

For more information, go to askimam.com to do your own research on this and many more issues.

Only Gr8Heera got this rite.

Regards

Agree what you said. So true.

But ppl don't understand and don't know how to tell.

As far as I know husband has to say talaq even lady ask for khula if husband says talaq then she gets talaq or khula otherwise not.

What ppl or sharia law made is not the way. If husband doesn't say talaq then she is still mankooha of that person.

Thanks for saying that I'm right.

Talaq 3 baar mazaq main bhi kehnay say ho jati hai.

Aik hadees ya kuch parha tha main nain jis main shayad koi khaleefa thay unkay paas aik shaksh aya kaha main nain 3 talaq daydi hain. Kahleefa nain usko khoob peeta aur kaha talaq ho gai.

[PakiAmerican]

Agree what you said. So true.

But ppl don't understand and don't know how to tell.

As far as I know husband has to say talaq even lady ask for khula if husband says talaq then she gets talaq or khula otherwise not.

What ppl or sharia law made is not the way. If husband doesn't say talaq then she is still mankooha of that person.

Thanks for saying that I'm right.

Talaq 3 baar mazaq main bhi kehnay say ho jati hai.

Aik hadees ya kuch parha tha main nain jis main shayad koi khaleefa thay unkay paas aik shaksh aya kaha main nain 3 talaq daydi hain. Kahleefa nain usko khoob peeta aur kaha talaq ho gai.

Dear
In the case of KHULA, you are 100% correct that husband still has to say TALAQ 3 time for it to be TALAQ but if for some reason husband doesn't say it, then Islamic shariya council and Qazi saab has the authority to nullify that nikah and make the Talaq. And you are rite again, if a husband even says it in a joke or in an anger, it is Talaq no matter how you justify it later. Only exception is if husband is 'Pagal', mentally ill, then it doesn't happen.

[PakiAmerican]

If I knew he was cheating on me I would shoot him in the foot before he got to say talaaq the second time

in fact my dear, all that would come out of his mouth would be

"TaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH"

on the money don't you think?

and your still funny and rite on the money ji.

Regards

[Kenjifu]

and your still funny and rite on the money ji.

Regards

I hate to disappoint you but I wasn't trying

[Gr8Heera]

If I knew he was cheating on me I would shoot him in the foot before he got to say talaaq the second time

in fact my dear, all that would come out of his mouth would be

"TaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH"

on the money don't you think?

Kahna asan hai karna mushkil.

Doctors larkiaan bhi reh raheen hain cheaters oar doosri shadi kar lenay kay baad.

[Kenjifu]

Kahna asan hai karna mushkil.

Doctors larkiaan bhi reh raheen hain cheaters oar doosri shadi kar lenay kay baad.

so in essence you are saying if the man I married decided to do the 'hurdy gurdy' on the sly I would let him off the hook?

I think you need to have a heart to heart with my husband :-)

as for those who stay with a cheating spouse, and the same could be said for some men who stay with unfaithful wives they simply do not have the strength to get up and walk away

(thats why they are called victims)

[Gr8Heera]

so in essence you are saying if the man I married decided to do the 'hurdy gurdy' on the sly I would let him off the hook?

I think you need to have a heart to heart with my husband :-)

as for those who stay with a cheating spouse, and the same could be said for some men who stay with unfaithful wives they simply do not have the strength to get up and walk away

(thats why they are called victims)

No I'm not saying that let him go off the hook.

I didn't understand your second line.

Yeah sometimes no strength and sometimes for the sake of child and sometimes for society ki toba tillah and many other things.

Ladies main kum hi himmat hoti hai. Himmat bhi wo hi kar pateen hain jo khudgharz hoteen hain aur sirf apni khushi aur apna mafaad daikhteen hain buchchon ka naheen. Wo bhi wo us waqt karti hain jub unkay pass job hoti hai aur kamati hain to warna kon poora karay ga unka sub kuch. Parents aur bhai bahan hamaisha naheen poochtay aur jin main himmat hota hai akelay rehnay ka.

Bohat si batain hoti hain. Agar larki shohar ki mohabbat main giraftar ho to bhi naheen chorna chahti. Khud ghurz aurtain husbands say mohabbat naheen karteen.

[PakiAmerican]

so in essence you are saying if the man I married decided to do the 'hurdy gurdy' on the sly I would let him off the hook?

I think you need to have a heart to heart with my husband :-)

as for those who stay with a cheating spouse, and the same could be said for some men who stay with unfaithful wives they simply do not have the strength to get up and walk away

(thats why they are called victims)

Wasn't this thread about Talaq? how did this cheating husband or wife come in the picture ?
Kenjifu, what are you talking about ? we were discussing about who has a right to divorce....rite ?

Regards

[Kenjifu]

Wasn't this thread about Talaq? how did this cheating husband or wife come in the picture ? Kenjifu, what are you talking about ? we were discussing about who has a right to divorce....rite ?

Regards

of course and then someone mentioned that its not easy to leave a cheater

to which I simply responded by saying its all too easy

are you saying its off topic to say that there are women out there who would take the smoothest quickest route out of relationship that was damaging to them and thereby they just forgo the whole 3 talaaq thing - you know there are better things in life than to wait around for a man to say the magic word three times

[Gr8Heera]

Re: Womens right to divorce, given by her husband

^ LOL

[Kenjifu]

No I'm not saying that let him go off the hook.

I didn't understand your second line.

Yeah sometimes no strength and sometimes for the sake of child and sometimes for society ki toba tillah and many other things.

Ladies main kum hi himmat hoti hai. Himmat bhi wo hi kar pateen hain jo khudgharz hoteen hain aur sirf apni khushi aur apna mafaad daikhteen hain buchchon ka naheen. Wo bhi wo us waqt karti hain jub unkay pass job hoti hai aur kamati hain to warna kon poora karay ga unka sub kuch. Parents aur bhai bahan hamaisha naheen poochtay aur jin main himmat hota hai akelay rehnay ka.

Bohat si batain hoti hain. Agar larki shohar ki mohabbat main giraftar ho to bhi naheen chorna chahti. Khud ghurz aurtain husbands say mohabbat naheen karteen.

I'm really sorry we don't see through the same lens but I guess that's the difference

Where I come from if a man cheats or does anything to hurt her the father, brother or uncle will be the first in there to get her out, it depends on the society you come from I suppose, and its just sad that pakistanis in general aren't on the lookout to help such women

as for their children - do you honestly think its better for them to grow up knowing there father is cheating on their mother? I know a situation and the woman was in such depression that the kids were going nuts

Its not right. Its not fair. It happens. But we need to fight it and help these people, not sit back and accept it, we need to change this attitude people take in our culture of hiding behind closed doors, we need to start asking people how their marriages are working even after the wedding and walima

ALSO, by a heart to heart I didnt mean anything naughty simply that my husband knows me best and he also knows that I would never take any form of cheating - and I do love him but that wont stop me from walking away the moment he has broken my trust

if there is not trust then what exactly are you trying to save in a marriage?

[PakiAmerican]

of course and then someone mentioned that its not easy to leave a cheater

to which I simply responded by saying its all too easy

are you saying its off topic to say that there are women out there who would take the smoothest quickest route out of relationship that was damaging to them and thereby they just forgo the whole 3 talaaq thing - you know there are better things in life than to wait around for a man to say the magic word three times

I stand correct, you are funny...LOL

[Kenjifu]

I stand correct, you are funny...LOL

let me correct you again then because I am not joking

I'm serious

[PakiAmerican]

I'm really sorry we don't see through the same lens but I guess that's the difference

Where I come from if a man cheats or does anything to hurt her the father, brother or uncle will be the first in there to get her out, it depends on the society you come from I suppose, and its just sad that pakistanis in general aren't on the lookout to help such women

as for their children - do you honestly think its better for them to grow up knowing there father is cheating on their mother? I know a situation and the woman was in such depression that the kids were going nuts

Its not right. Its not fair. It happens. But we need to fight it and help these people, not sit back and accept it, we need to change this attitude people take in our culture of hiding behind closed doors, we need to start asking people how their marriages are working even after the wedding and walima

ALSO, by a heart to heart I didnt mean anything naughty simply that my husband knows me best and he also knows that I would never take any form of cheating - and I do love him but that wont stop me from walking away the moment he has broken my trust

if there is not trust then what exactly are you trying to save in a marriage?

I agree with you. Just out of curiosity, if your husband cheats and u decide to walk, would your children make you week? knowing they need both of their parents together....If you do walk, wouldn't this be selfish on your part?

Regards

[Kenjifu]

I agree with you. Just out of curiosity, if your husband cheats and u decide to walk, would your children make you week? knowing they need both of their parents together....If you do walk, wouldn't this be selfish on your part?

Regards

for one thing a woman would try to protect her kids from such a man, why on earth would she feel guilty or selfish by doing her duty in protecting them from such a human?

He clearly shows blatant disregard for one of the most sacred vows he will ever have taken in his life, whats to say he wont do the same to the kids?

and if anyone is selfish its the man, trying to use emotional blackmail against the woman - only a low lying selfish creep would resort to such scheming and underhand measures

yeah, so I guess I'de tell the woman to get out of there and to take the first flight out with the kids, and if she wanted I would stand there by her side with a club in my hand whilst she did it

[PakiAmerican]

Re: Womens right to divorce, given by her husband

For some reason, I feel very close to your husband (not in a wrong way. )...LOL... He needs all the support from all the men out there. LOL

Regards

[Kenjifu]

For some reason, I feel very close to your husband (not in a wrong way. )...LOL... He needs all the support from all the men out there. LOL

Regards

Right I'll make sure to introduce the two of you sometime (but he wont want your help, nor any other of these 'men' out there whoever they are)

and whilst we are at it, why don't you introduce me to you're wife me and her could have a nice chat over tea

[Gr8Heera]

I'm really sorry we don't see through the same lens but I guess that's the difference

Where I come from if a man cheats or does anything to hurt her the father, brother or uncle will be the first in there to get her out, it depends on the society you come from I suppose, and its just sad that pakistanis in general aren't on the lookout to help such women

as for their children - do you honestly think its better for them to grow up knowing there father is cheating on their mother? I know a situation and the woman was in such depression that the kids were going nuts

Its not right. Its not fair. It happens. But we need to fight it and help these people, not sit back and accept it, we need to change this attitude people take in our culture of hiding behind closed doors, we need to start asking people how their marriages are working even after the wedding and walima

ALSO, by a heart to heart I didnt mean anything naughty simply that my husband knows me best and he also knows that I would never take any form of cheating - and I do love him but that wont stop me from walking away the moment he has broken my trust

if there is not trust then what exactly are you trying to save in a marriage?

I think you haven't been to that kind of situation I saw.

Do you know no matter what happens between parents KIDS never wants seperation between their parents. NEVER NEVER NEVER.

Kids will blame you if you will leave. PPl mistreat that lady and her kids. She left alone.

Baap bhai uncle twinkle sub shuru main madad kar saktay hain sari zindagi naheen. Baap aur uncle aik waqt pay maar jain gay. Bhai shadi kay baad badal jatay hain. Unki biwion ko bahan ki madad pasand naheen ati khuwah bahan kitni bhi zaroorat mund ho phir us larki aur us kay buchchon ko daikhnay wala koi naheen hota. Wo khud tanha apnay buchchon kay saath rehti hai.

Ub buchchon ko chor kar ussay kamana bhi hota hai ghar chalanay ko. Agar wo chala bhi lay to buchchay baap naheen honay ki wajah say bigar bhi jaatay hain.

Logon kay tanaay aur buchchon kay saath bura sulook alag hai.

Ub agar aap ki buchchi hai to loag us say shadi karna naheen chahain gay kay uski maan aisi thi kay talaq lay li to beti bhi aisi hi ho gi aur aisa hi karay gi. Ya yay bhi kahain gay kay iska baap awara tha to yay bhi awar ho gi.

I have seen how ppl behave with divorce or seperated lady and her kids.

A selfish lady can think only for herself not for her kids.

[Gr8Heera]

for one thing a woman would try to protect her kids from such a man, why on earth would she feel guilty or selfish by doing her duty in protecting them from such a human?

He clearly shows blatant disregard for one of the most sacred vows he will ever have taken in his life, whats to say he wont do the same to the kids?

and if anyone is selfish its the man, trying to use emotional blackmail against the woman - only a low lying selfish creep would resort to such scheming and underhand measures

yeah, so I guess I'de tell the woman to get out of there and to take the first flight out with the kids, and if she wanted I would stand there by her side with a club in my hand whilst she did it

What if he is a good father. Zaroori to naheen agar wo tumharay liaay bura ho to buchchon kay liaay bhi ho.

[Gr8Heera]

Right I'll make sure to introduce the two of you sometime (but he wont want your help, nor any other of these 'men' out there whoever they are)

and whilst we are at it, why don't you introduce me to you're wife me and her could have a nice chat over tea

LOL kioon aap kia chughli karo gi uskay harkaton ki.

Wo jisaay wo khud chupanay main Allah chupanay main kamyab ho gia ussay uski biwi ko batao gi.

Socho ussay bata kar takleef hi do gi ya kuch faida bhi ho ga.