saaalllaaam please check this links below, it has a complete pure teachings of Islam on women. http://debate.domini.org/newton/womeng.html http://chief.anth.uconn.edu/classes/anth298_s98/Islam.htm http://www.islamzine.com/women/womenquransunnah.html http://www.islamzine.com/women/
Jaawan
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Aah What I Thought Was Wrong!
Btw can somebody tell me Why this Difference And What the extra ordinary things Men are Doing?
ConservativeGirl!
You should not question the LAWs of GOD/ALLah!!!
Jaawan
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I feel as if i've sinned to be a damn WOMAN!
Whatever idea I had about the position of women in Islam has totally been washed out by these links. Yes! Men ARE superior, by ONE degree only though, and that too, MOMIN men, not the lofer awaras we have these days.
I sure hated the way they wrote everything in those pages. It makes me feel as if I will be a slave to my husband and that he would have the ultimate right to do whatever the hell he wants. Even, I, who supports my religion 100%, feel disgusted by the manner everything was written. To tell you the truth, I feel downright sick. Maybe if everything was written in a nicer way, it wouldn't have been so bad.
Awrite awrite. I got a lil emotional b4. but I must say the first link was well, I would rather not say it. The rest were okay....just what I had expected.
Just one question. Men get 'hoors' in heaven what do women get?
If we really care about whats right and whats wrong we should read quran and hadith by our selves yes we should take sometime off from internet or what ever. I kinda pumbed into these links while i was searching islam on yahoo and i thought i would be great to let you guys know what is on the net. But please read quran and hadith to find whats real and true. What ever is in the quran and hadith, weather you like or not you have to except it as rules and laws of GOD and you should not question them. Hum SA... what kinda freedom does a muslim women want could you please clarify that? And please dont take it personaly: Does women of islam want the freedom like white women have, do they want the freedom that western societies have given to thire women? I DONT THINK SO, DO YOU?
What ever is in quran and hadith you have to believe it and follow it other wise well you know....
Jaawan
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salam alekum,
i read some of those links that Jaawan listed and well i must say that those are not good links to introduce to a woman interested in learning more about islam, especially a non-muslim. if i didnt know better, i would think that those sites, esp the first, were written by someone averse to islam. it wasnt explained well. some of those hadith quotes, atleast one, was not complete. i have read, by the grace of Allah, Sahih al-bukhari, nine volumes except the chapter on jihad, and i can tell you that its a very dangerous thing to read it for yourself and think you know everything just by that. a lot of things are confusing, and are not fully clear or understandable without explanation to the hadiths. that is why we have tafseer of quran as well as books that explain hadith. btw, this is for those who rely on sahih al-bukhari, sahih muslim, tirmidhi, ahmed, etc. im not writing to those who do not rely on hadith, because thats a whole other discussion. i know wonderful books and websites that explain womens position in islam. if anyone wants to know the sites, or books, just email me. 
:)i am thankful to Allah for being born a female. islam has given us many privileges as well as duties.
as for the person asking the question about hoors, this question has been asked and answered many times. its also listed as a question on the website www.islam-qa.com.
p.s. by no means did i mean to show-off in any sense. may Allah forgive me if i had it hidden in my heart. my knowledge of islam is very limited, but i felt it was important to state what i thought on this matter.
Learn to love yourself, then learn to love one-another
sallam
Exactly Munni behan, every keep in mind i am NOT promoting thoese sites, Only thing i am promoting is taking some time off from our normal activities and try to read as little as 10-30 mins of quran and hadith by our selves. That way we all will know what is right and what is wrong instead off someone else telling us what is wrong or right. What ever is in quran and hadith we should and have to believe it if you call your self a muslim, if you dont you are not muslim. HUM SA... i am still waiting for anwser to my question. What kinda freedom does a muslim women want, a freedom that white women have, a freedom that western societies have given to thire women???
Jaawan
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Jawan have a lil patience first of all.
I was sick and couldn't write back. So now I'm back. Like I said, the first link was too much. And as for freedom? Islam has given women all the freedom they can have and want and I know exactly what's written in Quran and Hadith but sorry to say I don't agree with these "Modern Scholars". Like I said, their way of writing about women is a bit harsh. Try adopting a nicer attitude and maybe mroe non -Muslims will be attracted towards Islam
Ciao ciao.
Women become hoors in paradise.
SALAM
MTNUTT WHAT YOU WROTE CAME FROM WHERE PLZ LET US KNOW SO WE ALL KNOW!!
JAAWAN
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Hahahahaha!
Sayyyy.......what are women going to get in Jannat?
GhilmAn
If that is the correct word.
HUM SA...if you know whats in quran and hadith whats all the fuss about? People who call them selves are not attracted to Islam how can you attract non-muslims? Ok one more thing you said you whats in quran and hadith about women could you please list all the freedom and rights that they have the position they hold in islam please, and finally how are you doing now, get well soon byee
Jaawan
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Jawan okay you asked for the rights and the freedom:
1) An adult woman is free to marry whoever she pleases.
2) Marriage without the consent of a woman is not valid.
3) Haq-Meher is obligatory.
4) A woman can get a job if she wants and does not have to spend out of her salary on the household.
5) A woman is NOT required to take care of the household and the children, and she can demand for a maid from her husband.
6) Basically a woman is supposed to fulfill her husbands physical needs and give birth to kids. Period!
There. These are the ultimate rights of a woman. Ofcourse, to get more sawab, a woman is supposed to obey her husband but basically, as the Islamic Law puts it, she is free to do as she pleases (staying in Hudood ofcourse).
And if you are gonna ask me where I got all this from, well I got it from an Aalimah. Right now I don't have any Hadith or Ayat to match the rights cuz I'm afraid my memory isn't good enuff to memorize various ayats and ahadith.
The "fuss" was about the way evreything was written. For example:
WHAT IS A WOMAN
WOMAN IS A TOY
NOT a very nice way to put things eh. Like i said, a change of attitude would've helped.
And as for not being attracted to the Quran and Hadith, well sir, it is every Muslims duty to do Dawah. Don't care about what the others think or do, you gotta fulfill your duty.
And thankyou, I'm feeling better Alhamdulillah.
I agree with you Hum Saa, and Jaawan, how would YOU feel if someone called you a toy?
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HUM SA i agree with you but if you get those rights what more could you ask for. And aahmad that word is not used in my house and i never heard that word being used and i dont thing women is a toy, without a women im NOTHING!!!
Jaawan
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Jawan i'm not asking for further rights than given to me by Allah, i'm merely asking for a change of attitude.
I checked the first link and it's typical propaganda material, filled with hadiths taken out of context, translated in an atrocious way, quranic aaya without context quoted with no rhyme or reason, personal opinions of scholars slipped in between hadiths and quranic excerpts, weak hadiths, hadiths that don't even exist but are justified by such laughingly idiotic reason as 'though it's not in bukhari, the hadith is in line with what, other hadiths in bukhari say' (I am not making this up, this one was in the essay) etc. etc.
Unfortunately, many Muslims and Non-Muslims 'll read it and mistake it for some kind of scholarly effort, and 'll form a certain opinion about this religion, based on that essay.
By the way, Jaawan, when are you posting next about "Shia vs Sunni" stuff ?
Now, over to what HSHTSA said,
1) An adult woman is free to marry whoever she pleases. <
Right.
2) Marriage without the consent of a woman is not valid.<
Of course.
3) Haq-Meher is obligatory. <
Right.
4) A woman can get a job if she wants and does not have to spend out of her salary on the household.<
Not only that, but the man "has" to spend on the household, to the extent that he has to buy a separate home if his wife demands. Women in Islam (regardless of whether they are earning on their own or not) are guaranteed to receive, household and living expenses from husband, relatives (and in case they are not capable of that, then even from the "state itself")
5) A woman is NOT required to take care of the household and the children, and she can demand for a maid from her husband.<
Right.
6) Basically a woman is supposed to fulfill her husbands physical needs and give birth to kids. Period!<
As men are supposed to fulfil their wives' physical needs.
Allah knows best.
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