Assalam-o-Alaikum,
The first link contents were a part of propaganda to divert muslims plus non muslims from Islam, people like me, who have little knowledge could easily deviate, but if you would look at the bottom of the page, you would see that they would give them free to :
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third world countires, and the christan community - who are increasingly converting to Islam
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. We must confront sites like these, and promote sites which give a clear and a write picture of Islam.
HUM SA...sis there is nothing wrong with my attitude you are just judging by the way i write HERE thats it i think you need to change some of thinking of yours please.
Yaseen bhia how can we confront these sites any suggestions?
Jaawan
Till next time*K_I_S_S*
Jawaan you keep on misunderstanding me. I'm not asking YOU to change your attitude, I'm asking for the site owners to change theirs.
Ooh ok my bad...HUM SA...sis what you think should be done to confront them!???
Jaawan
Till next time*K_I_S_S*
Well if they have given an e-mail address, then write to them with solid proofs on Ayats and Ahadith and urge others to do the same.
Roman edited my message? fk him.
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NYahamdi give it a break will you? Is that you speaking or your hate for islam because your not included. If islam is not the answwer nothing is! If you have anyother religion that has equal rights for women and protects women from harm please let us know!
You know only islam is the religion is that does not allow you to marry your sister!!!
Islam has very nice, very CLEAN rights for women, (you just dont know them). If no one follows them it does not mean that they dont exist!!! YOU SHOULD LOOK AT THE REAL ISLAM, NOT ON THE BAD MUSLIMS WHO MAKE IT LOOK BAD!!!
Jaawan
Till next time*K_I_S_S*
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I agree with NY Ahmadi, IF that was Islam offers women than is it is not for them. However I feel that the Islam that was given to us through or prophet(pbuh) does not encourage women to be second class citzens as is the case today in many so called muslim countries. Again NY Ahamdi is correct, they have no business in calling themselves muslims or propagating Islam as a religion for women. The real Islam is a religion for MANKIND not just one sex.
But to find out what the 'real' Islam is will take a lot of guts and re-evaluation of the status quo. I suggest that there are very few people who are willing to become muslims because they want to be rather than be born into Islam. Maybe we are all blind,deaf and dumb?
p.s. wellcome back NYA, your spice to this forum was missed!
Due to the wast discrimination from jews controled media; Islam has become the name of hate people DO NOT look at real islam. They dont have the guts to go out there and see what is real islam. They rather stay and watch the box and have it run thire lives which i think is act of stupidtiy when a HUMAN being needs a TV to run his/her life.
I think if we have anything to say against any religion we should look at it from the correct sources, if you do not want to look at the correct sources we should not speak or do anything against that religion. But some people just judge things.
Islam is whole way of life, no other religion has this feature. I suggest that you go out there and search what is real islam, what does it has to offer you, if you cant do that dont try to say a word against something you dont have the knowledge of. *** Dont believe everything on TV, nothing is real ***
I have learned from my little experience that people will not disagree with you because your wrong, they have to disagree with you because they are on the wrong side; if they do agree with you that will be time for thire embarassment.
Jaawan
Till next time*K_I_S_S*
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Most of what is written in the first link is either a translation done by some non-muslim, or otherwise, a commentary by someone, who has twisted the meaning of the Quran to the worst possible dimensions.
The only way to really understand the QUran and its teachings are to learn the basics of the arabic language, and then read the Quran in arabic and understand whats being said in all the text of the Holy Quran. All the translations that we have in the market, while are made in good faith, often lead readers to get confused. May Allah guide us to the right path.
Jawan said: You know only islam is the religion is that does not allow you to marry your sister!!!
Now what is that supposed to mean? You mean there are religions out there who allow marrying your own sister? if so, do we still call them religions?
OR are you trying to say that some Muslim brothers get the urge to marry their sisters but cann't because Islam does not allow them to do so? That is a very sick thought in itself. Isn't it?
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I think instead of picking up people and saying that someone is a Muslim and others arn't, we should admit that the site contained things that were not right, and we should do something. We sould mail those persons of what they are doing and protest it....
Secondly, its not upto us to announce that one is a muslim or not, just leave this to Allah, and try to concentrate to our deeds that are we in the right path or not.
Thirdly, Allah in Quran has stated in the last reveletion of which I don't remember the exact words but it meant that "Today we have completed Islam and chosen "Islam" as "The Religon"."
Nothing after can be changed by us as Allah has given his Ayats for all mankind, and that too for all times, there is no such thing that Islam for Old Times and Islam for the current Time, we don't have versions of Islam, because if Allah needed it, he could have sent more prophets to announce it, but he has stated that he has completed Islam.
Last, majority of the muslims are not doing, and that is the cause such situation in which we can't tell right from wrong is that they may put Quran on top of their Cupboards, but are not aware of three rules for Quran.
1. Reading.
2. Understanding
3. Telling others of what is written in Quran and stoping them from bad deeds.
If we could just look at ourselves just which rules are we adapting.
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NYahmadi i think your pissed off when i say that you want to marry your sister. why would i get embarassed its all true. Jews well read the damn thing again if it doesnt make sense to you, i dont think you have that sense for you to be able to make sense of things! If things are bad in your own house dont blame it on the culture buddy, its YOUR house thats bad not the culture. Culture still says women should be in pardaa while in men, if you dont want your sister or mother to be in pardaa in strange men, its not cultures fault its your household in which your brought up!!! Besides the way you talk it seems your another peethoo of western ideaology in which women just fuck around with every other guy and no one cares, i dont think you care because you have that ideaology, tumarey jesey logoon ke sath esi tarah hona chaheye jo allah ke deen main fasad aur naee naee cheezain ejaad kartey hain. **besides it was a question of 'womens position in ISLAM' i dont think you know anything about islam!!!
NYa..why dont you tell us what your religion says about women.
Jaawan
Till next time*K_I_S_S*
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ok
Jawaan and NYA
Please no name calling or cursing .. Keep focused on the issues and not the people!!!
been a religous forum.. no curse words or name calling is allowed Jawaan.
Thank you....ok ok moderrator i didnt cursed but you had to edit my reply!! you didnt had to delet the questions!!! NYa you were pissed off man you couldnt answer the question, so you started this name calling thing!!! Not good!!!
NYa please do answer the question!
1. What do you know about islam?
2. What position does a women have in your religion?
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Saallaam
Here are some verses from quran, position of women, or laws concerning man and women!!!
Al-Baqara (The Cow)
2:223 Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will; but
do some good act for your souls beforehand; and fear Allah. And know that ye are to meet
Him (in the Hereafter), and give (these) good tidings to those who believe.
Al-Baqara (The Cow)
2:222 They ask thee concerning women’s courses. Say: They are a hurt and a pollution: So keep away from women in their courses, and do not approach them until they are clean. But when they have purified themselves, ye may approach them in any manner, time, or place ordained for you by Allah. For Allah loves those who turn to Him
constantly and He loves those who keep themselves pure and clean.
Al-Baqara (The Cow)
2:187 Permitted to you, on the night of the fasts, is the approach to your wives. They are your garments and ye are their garments. Allah knoweth what ye used to do
secretly among yourselves; but He turned to you and forgave you; so now associate
with them, and seek what Allah Hath ordained for you, and eat and drink, until the white
thread of dawn appear to you distinct from its black thread; then complete your fast Till the night appears; but do not associate with your wives while ye are in retreat in the mosques. Those are Limits (set by) Allah. Approach not nigh thereto. Thus doth Allah
make clear His Signs to men: that they may learn self-restraint.
An-Nisa (Women)
4:19 O ye who believe! Ye are forbidden to inherit women against their will. Nor should
ye treat them with harshness, that ye may Take away part of the dower ye have given
them,-except where they have been guilty of open lewdness; on the contrary live with
them on a footing of kindness and equity. If ye take a dislike to them it may be that ye
dislike a thing, and Allah brings about through it a great deal of good.
The Believers
23:6 Except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their
right hands possess,- for (in their case) they are free from blame,
Light
24:33 Let those who find not the wherewithal for marriage keep themselves chaste, until
Allah gives them means out of His grace. And if any of your slaves ask for a deed in
writing (to enable them to earn their freedom for a certain sum), give them such a deed if
ye know any good in them: yea, give them something yourselves out of the meanswhich
Allah has given to you. But force not your maids to prostitution when they desire chastity, in order that ye may make a gain in the goods of this life. But if anyone
compels them, yet, after such compulsion, is Allah, Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful (to
them),
The Clans, The Coalition, The Combined Forces
33:50 O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their
dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom
Allah has assigned to thee; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and
daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts, who migrated (from Makka) with thee; and
any believing woman who dedicates her soul to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to
wed her;- this only for thee, and not for the Believers (at large); We know what We have
appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hands possess;- in
order that there should be no difficulty for thee. And Allah is Oft- Forgiving, Most
Merciful.
The Clans, The Coalition, The Combined Forces
33:52 It is not lawful for thee (to marry more) women after this, nor to change them for (other) wives, even though their beauty attract thee, except any thy right hand should possess (as handmaidens): and Allah doth watch over all things.
The Ascending Stairways, Staircases Upward, Sckeptic
70:30 Except with their wives and the (captives) whom their right hands possess,- for (then) they are not to be blamed,
Al-Baqara (The Cow)
2:228 Divorced women shall wait concerning themselves for three monthly periods. Nor is
it lawful for them to hide what Allah Hath created in their wombs, if they have faith in
Allah and the Last Day. And their husbands have the better right to take them back in that period, if they wish for reconciliation. And women shall have rights similar to the rights against them, according to what is equitable; but men have a degree (advantage) over them. And Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise.
Al-Imran (The Family of Imran)
3:195 And their Lord hath accepted of them, and answered them: “Never will I suffer to
be lost the work of any of you, be he male or female: Ye are members, one of another:
Those who have left their homes, or been driven out therefrom, or suffered harm in My
Cause, or fought or been slain,- verily, I will blot out from them their iniquities, and admit them into Gardens with rivers flowing beneath;- A reward from the presence of Allah, and from His presence is the best of rewards.”
An-Nisa (Women)
4:32 And in no wise covet those things in which Allah Hath bestowed His gifts More
freely on some of you than on others: To men is allotted what they earn, and to
womenwhat they earn: But ask Allah of His bounty. For Allah hath full knowledge of all
things.
An-Nisa (Women)
4:1 O mankind! reverence your Guardian-Lord, who created you from a single person,
created, of like nature, His mate, and from them twain scattered (like seeds) countless men and women;- reverence Allah, through whom ye demand your mutual (rights), and
(reverence) the wombs (That bore you): for Allah ever watches over you.
An-Nisa (Women
4:32 And in no wise covet those things in which Allah Hath bestowed His gifts More
freely on some of you than on others: To men is allotted what they earn, and to women
what they earn: But ask Allah of His bounty. For Allah hath full knowledge of all things.
An-Nisa (Women)
4:34 Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the
one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their
means.Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband’s) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).
An-Nisa (Women)
4:124 If any do deeds of righteousness,- be they male or female - and have faith, they will enter Heaven, and not the least injustice will be done to them.
Al-An’am (The Cattle)
6:98 It is He Who hath produced you from a single person: here is a place of sojourn and
a place of departure: We detail Our signs for people who understand.
Al-An’am (The Cattle)
6:139 They say: "What is in the wombs of such and such cattle is specially reserved (for food) for our men, and forbidden to our women; but if it is still-born, then all have
share therein. For their (false) attribution (of superstitions to Allah., He will soon punish them: for He is full of wisdom and knowledge.
At-Tauba (The Repentance)
9:67 The Hypocrites, men and women, (have an understanding) with each other: They
enjoin evil, and forbid what is just, and are close with their hands. They have forgotten
Allah. so He hath forgotten them. Verily the Hypocrites are rebellious and perverse.
At-Tauba (The Repentance)
9:72 Allah hath promised to Believers, men and women, gardens under which rivers
flow, to dwell therein, and beautiful mansions in gardens of everlasting bliss. But the greatest bliss is the good pleasure of Allah. that is the supreme felicity.
please also visit this site. www.islamicity.com and search for women in quran and in hadith searches!!!
Jaawan
Till next timeK_I_S_S
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kookk
If those are your answers NYa, then dont try to be a BULLY in religious forums!!! I was looking for a answer on womens position in ISLAM; not what position does a women have in your home or what cultures say about women!!!
Jaawan
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