Women who wear burkas in France face £700 fine

Women who wear burkas in France face £700 fine - Telegraph

By Henry Samuel in Paris
Published: 6:22PM GMT 07 Jan 2010
**Women who wear burkas in France face £700 fine **

**Women who wear the burka in public will be fined £700 under laws being considered in France. **

MPs will vote on the proposal this month after a long impassioned debate over the merits of outlawing the burka and niqab.
Jean-François Copé, parliamentary leader of President Nicolas Sarkozy’s UMP group, said the 750 euro fine would apply to anyone whose face is “fully covered in public”.

Wearing either would be tolerated only in exceptional circumstances, such as “cultural events or carnivals,” he added.
The bill proposes introducing an even heavier penalty for anyone who forces a woman to wear the full veil, Mr Copé said in an interview with the Le Figaro magazine.

The burka is a full-body covering with a mesh screen over the eyes while the niqab is a full-body veil with eye slits.

Mr Copé insists the law is based on public safety and sexual equality considerations and does not restrict religious practices.

“We spoke to religious and secular figures who all confirmed [the burka] was not a religious prescription. Wearing the full body veil is about extremists who want to test the republic,” he said.

President Sarkozy last year declared the burka a “sign of subservience and debasement that imprison women” and said it was “not welcome on French soil”.

But he is said to be undecided as to whether to back the law or a non-binding “resolution” that would make wearing the garments contrary to French values but not a punishable offence.

Mr Copé has left both options on the table by drawing up a resolution regarding women’s rights and a law on security in tandem.

The burka discussion has intensified amid a heated debate on French identity organised by Mr Sarkozy’s immigration minister, Eric Besson. The debate has focused heavily on immigration and Islam in a country with five million Muslims.
Fadela Amara, the urban affairs minister, a women’s rights activist and a Muslim, recently labelled the burka a “walking coffin”.

Michelle Alliot-Marie, the justice minister, said last week that Muslim men seeking French citizenship and whose wives wore the garment were not welcome. She said they would “not appear to be sharing the values of our country.” The opposition Socialists this week came out against a law banning the burka – even though they remain firmly opposed to the garment.

“The burka is a prison for women and has no place in the French Republic. But an ad hoc law would not have the anticipated effect,” said their spokesman, Benoît Hamon.

Jean-Marie Le Pen, the veteran leader of the far-Right National Front, said a ban was unnecessary as it is already “forbidden to walk the streets and public spaces with a mask on”.

Interior ministry figures suggest that around 2,000 women in France wear full Muslim dress in public.

France passed a law in 2004 banning students and staff from wearing “conspicuous” religious symbols in schools – including veils – to defend secularism.

In September a French mother was banned from wearing a full-body “burkini” bathing suit at her local swimming pool. She was told it contravened hygiene regulations but pledged to take her local council to court, saying the decision was political.

In July, al-Qaeda leaders in north African issued a call to arms against France on an Islamic extremist website.

“We will seek dreadful revenge on France by all means at our disposal, for the honour of our daughters and sisters,” they warned.

Re: Women who wear burkas in France face £700 fine

^^ burka has absolutely NOTHING to do with Islam

Hijab is Islamic....Burka is Traditional Arab Custom and if the french have something against that then deal with it....

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Nobody in my family wears the veil but this is just so wrong…

Extremist Secularists/Athiests shoving their ideology down other peoples throats.

First Mosque towers and now this and they have the cheek to boast about freedoms and liberties. :rotfl:

These idiots are as bad as intolerant extremists amongst our Muslim lot.

I hope to God their intolerance doesn’t infect our country via the tunnel.

Since when did you become the Dalai Lama of Islam?

We are not meant to mould Islam to our prefrences, we are meant to mould ourselves to Islam.

Nobody in my family wears the face veil anymore but they have done in the past and we do consider it a part of the religion even if we are too weak to practice it...

We are Sunni Muslims and as far as I know amongst the Sunnis most scholars are of the view that covering the face is neccesary, there is also a minority opnion that it is only preferrable/optional and not neccesary but none of the classical scholars were ever of the view that covering the face has nothing to do with Islam.

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funny.

next thing wud be wearing clothes wud be fined for?well who knows

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Preposterous!

Are you out of your mind?

Please tell me where in the Quran it states to cover your face?

It says to cover your head with a hijab.

I agree. So much for liberalism. I’ll f–ing wear whatever the f-- I want to. If I chose to wear a burka it’s my decision. jeez what a jahil kaum.

Do you understand classical Arabic?

Where in the Quran does it say don't cover your face?

The word Hijab lused in the Quran iterally means covering, it can refer to a scarf or a veil...

...The Quran (Recitation) is not the only source of Islam, there's also the Sunnah (Tradition).

Khair whether burka is or is not a part of your version of Islam is a completely different topic for the religion forum..

...Here we're discussing Europe's false claims of tolerance and hypocritical freedoms of expression...

..Muslim woman can't swim in a burqini, a Muslim girl wearing a piece of silk on her head is offensive to European sensibilities, western culture is danger from a Mosque tower, forcibly "liberate" Muslim women by stripping them of their veils...

And they have the cheek to get on their high horses and point fingers at Muslim countries for being intolerant even though Muslim countries never make false claims about freedoms/liberties/secularism etc.

Recently there was a British Muslim girl in the papers who had her veil ripped off, she took the guy to court and she won the case, Allah bless Britain, had that been France they would have thrown her in jail for offending the man with her veil.

It also security reasons as well, as well as women's rights.

Some conservative men actually force women to cover their face as well.

I don't think you have ever studied the Quran.

It specifically states to cover the bosom which means the head and not the face.

If you wanna cover your face, go ahead.

I see plenty of them already and laugh at them.

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Dont know how much humiliation Muslims wants more.

too much:silly:

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Its their country ..let them do what they want.

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Islam bas Hijab tak reh giya in ka baqi ju** Hijab ker lo ty bakhshey giey ju meri jaisey merzi kero, Aurton ko dhakney ke ilawa tu I(slam kuch reh nahi giya waisey:hmmm: Baqi koi bura kery kuch kery keh do Allah ke hawaley ham kuch nahi ker sakty qanoon Adalat kuch nahi bas Akhrat main sab dekha jaey ga
Jab kehty hain na Mulla ke Islam din-e-fitrat hai tu how come fitrat ko yeh kasiey gwara ke aik shaksiyat faceless hu??? even yahan tak keha jata hai ke Muslim aurat ki awaqz bhi na mehram na sunney. My real Mumani (Allah unhin janat naseeb kery) ghar main phone laga tu uthati nahi thi ke os zamany main aur shaid ab bhi operator call milaty they tu woh phone nahi uthati thin ke ghyr merd meri awaz sunain gy:D os waqat ham buhat hansty they ke mami phone lagwaney ka fida aap uthati tu hain nahi. How ever now I have ansoo in my eyes any ways bhelyon lokon itna sakht bhi deen main kiya hona??? ke shakal na dikhao dekh kaun raha hai baqion ko ju app ne apna aap chupana hai??? Waisy aj tak in perda[posh bibion ko Akhrat main janat (Aur woh bhi apny kahwand ke sath) ke wadey ke siwa???
Aj aap keh rahy hain bas bothi chupa lo kal kehain gey awaz bhi na nikalo kithy jaey tey ki keriey??? I mean it is allready some kind of hadees I guess ke awaz bhi na sunain dosrey log aur jab Muslim khatoon bat kery dosrey merdon se tu lath marney waley andaz main:hehe: mery isi andaz ki wajah se custmor services call kerny ke qabil nahi hon main woh kehty hain politely ploease politely aue I say tu…
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So next step in Muslims no voice either:D

Aho aur aey Musalmanon hijrat ker lo aisi zalim jaga aur logon se:snooty:

:rotfl::omg:In Public:cb: Yani shohar aur ghar walon ke samny burqa pehnanny main koi muzaiqa nahi not in Public bas:omg::rotfl::hehe:

Re: Women who wear burkas in France face £700 fine

its just a way of antagonising a community that has a stronger faith and culture then the french themselves.

sarayakozy will continue burning inside even if this ban is put into place. its clear he cant stand the dedication of the momineen

Re: Women who wear burkas in France face £700 fine

Each country has got it's own rules and laws.You are supposed to abide by those rules and laws.You break it and you are supposed to pay for it.