Women Saints in Islam?

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Re: Women Saints in Islam?

@PyariCgudia

A saint is said to have a more deeper connection with the divine, such that you could go to them to intervene with the divine on your behalf.

I think there are religious people. Then there are spiritual people. I don’t know if anyone really has the power to talk to God on my behalf. And even if they do, why bother with the risk of frauds these days, when you have 5 namazein, or 5 opportunities in the day to talk to God yourself (3 for other denominations in Islam)?

As far as the history goes, muslims never MADE any females into saints, because women have been pretty sidelined in muslim culture (not Islam, but CULTURE) for some time. You know it started pretty early after the Prophet’s death, when the male sahabas left the females, like Aisha (R) and Fatima (R) out of the power decisions.

How could you possibly expect jaahils living in villages to consider a religious female a “saint”, then? They don’t even give females basic rights these days. Treat a woman like a human, saint tho duur ki baath hai.

AOA WRWB

I agree with everything you wrote, except one part, because I don’t understand what you are referring to.
Yes I can talk to Allah SWT directly and that is what HE wants me to do as well. HE says in the QURAN:
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However, I think the idea of having someone else make dua is also sound and is from the SUNNAH of the prophet SAW.
The problem is that muslims blew it out of proportion.
One incident when a Sahabi asked Rasul Allah SAW to make dua for him, the Prophet SAW replied more or less: I will but assist my dua with your deeds…

Same would be the case with anyone such as Rabia Basria (rehimullah) that if she was pious and connected with Allah SWT, then those who write about her make her into a superhuman and tell things of her that did not happen to the Prophet (S) nor his followers. So she could have made dua for someone, but I find it hard to believe that she or anyone like her, man or woman, a true follower of Rasul Allah SAW, would have encouraged the idea that they are talking to Allah for them and everything is then A-OK.

Now, about the other comment, I just have this to add. And I am not trying to argue with you but share.
I seriously believe that there exists a misconception among todays muslims about what happened after the Prophet’s (S) death regarding Aisha RA and Fatima RA.
If we read the historic text that are verifiable, we find that the Sahabah frequented Aisha (mother of believers) RA because she is the source of most of the verified hadith. They learned 1-1 from her to the point that people contest today on what kind of seperation existed b/w her and the companions of Rasul Allah (S). Most believe she taught from behind a curtain or other seperation.
Anyhow, the point is that it is the “juhala” of islam that degraded the position of women and then today we find women trying to regain themselves.

I don’t think I need to comment on Fatima RA’s roles or life. She was a selfless person who lived a life of struggle and was obvioulsy loved by her father too much. She was promised to be the leader of women in Jannah and her status is unquestionable. I think her personality was of a different sort.

Kher. Enough said. Peace to all!

ASAK