women, islam, sex

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I`ll try to explain these as best i know and from what ive read…

On the topic of Hoors. The interpretation you have posted above is what i would be inclined to believe in. The concept of hoors being virgins for sex does not go well with me, and i tend not to believe in it.

On the Topic of Temporary Marriage. This was allowed in early periods of islam, because i believe it was an arab practice but it was phased out. Here is a link that explains its illegality in great detal.

http://www.islam.org.au/articles/12/TMPMRIG.HTM

Temporary marriage is at the current time practiced by Shia’s.

According to Abu Huraira (r.a.a.), the Messenger of Allah (s.a.w.) had forbidden or abolished temporary marriage, its marriage and its divorce, its waiting period, and its inheritance. [narrated by DarQutny, Ishaq Bin Rahwiya, and Ibn Habban]

Abu Huraira (r.a.a) is one of the great narators of hadith. And that clearly states that temporary marriage is forbidden. Read the link i gave for more information.

On the topic of men oogling other women

Narrated 'Abdullah:

We were with the Prophet while we were young and had no wealth whatever. So Allah’s Apostle said, “O young people! Whoever among you can marry, should marry, because it helps him lower his gaze and guard his modesty (i.e. his private parts from committing illegal sexual intercourse etc.), and whoever is not able to marry, should fast, as fasting diminishes his sexual power.”

Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Abbas:

Al-Fadl bin 'Abbas rode behind the Prophet as his companion rider on the back portion of his she camel on the Day of Nahr (slaughtering of sacrifice, 10th Dhul-Hijja) and Al-Fadl was a handsome man. The Prophet stopped to give the people verdicts. In the meantime, a beautiful woman From the tribe of Khath’am came, asking the verdict of Allah’s Apostle. Al-Fadl started looking at her as her beauty attracted him. The Prophet looked behind while Al-Fadl was looking at her; so the Prophet held out his hand backwards and caught the chin of Al-Fadl and turned his face (to the owner sides in order that he should not gaze at her. She said, “O Allah’s Apostle! The obligation of Performing Hajj enjoined by Allah on His worshipers, has become due (compulsory) on my father who is an old man and who cannot sit firmly on the riding animal. Will it be sufficient that I perform Hajj on his behalf?” He said, “Yes.”

Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:

The Prophet said, 'Beware! Avoid sitting on the roads." They (the people) said, “O Allah s Apostle! We can’t help sitting (on the roads) as these are (our places) here we have talks.” The Prophet said, ’ l f you refuse but to sit, then pay the road its right ’ They said, “What is the right of the road, O Allah’s Apostle?” He said, 'Lowering your gaze, refraining from harming others, returning greeting, and enjoining what is good, and forbidding what is evil."

Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:

I have not seen a thing resembling ‘lamam’ (minor sins) than what Abu Huraira 'narrated from the Prophet who said “Allah has written for Adam’s son his share of adultery which he commits inevitably. The adultery of the eyes is the sight (to gaze at a forbidden thing), the adultery of the tongue is the talk, and the inner self wishes and desires and the private parts testify all this or deny it.”

Abu Talha reported: While We were sitting in front of the houses and talking amongst ourselves, Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) happened to come there. He stood by us and said: What about you apd your meetings on the paths? Avoid these meetings on the paths. We said: We were sitting here without (any intention of doing harm to the passers-by) ; we are sitting to discuss matters and to hold conversation amongst ourselves. Thereupon he said: If there is no help (for you but to sit on these paths), then give the paths their rights and these are lowering of the gaze, exchanging of greetings and good conversation.

As you can see, there are many many hadith about lowering the gaze, and they apply to all. It is to be noted that sahabah are not super human, they also sin, and as such that does not mean that we should to. Gazing at a namehram woman is adultry of the eyes. And adultry is a major sin in islam

On the topic of Maria the Copt

This link explains her story in great detail.

She was offered as a Slave, but converted to islam before she reached the Prophet and the Prophet married her. She bore him, his first son Ibraheem who died within 2 years.

On the topic of slavery and sex with slaves

Once again, this was an integral part of the arab society at that time and was slowly phased out, however it wasnt phased out completely but discouraged, and as such Allah’s wisdom is great that in current society slavery by muslims or sex with slaves by muslims is unheard of.

Here’s a link which explains it in more detail, you’ve probably already read it though.

http://www.islamonline.net/fatwa/english/FatwaDisplay.asp?hFatwaID=54710

Human equality and the liberation of slaves in Islam.  A slave can request and earn his freedom in Islam. This link goes more in detail with Quran and Hadith sources about Slavery in islam.

There are numerous hadith and Quranic Ayah that mention free’ing a slave as being a great deed to do.

** It is important to underastand that the life of the Prophet is for us the best example of all. **

I think this shows one of the dangers of reading hadiths on their own without any explanations or commentry.

It causes alot of misunderstandings and confusions.

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I think this shows one of the dangers of reading hadiths on their own without any explanations or commentry.

It causes alot of misunderstandings and confusions.
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Agreed.

Hope that post will tell people exactly what they have to do when they come across with a hadith or a Quranic ayah :k:

Well said!

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M, yeh you are so correct. It creates confusions and misunderstandings... so lets stay ignorant of what our own books say, so ppl from here and there can read them and exploit it against us... nice!!

These "dangers" are what have created the completely mullah's muqallid system in Pakistan. This is why when a non-muslim takes out phrases frm our books and puts them up, we have a lot of trouble answering or staying firm on our beliefs.

Sarah, I personally think its good you're going through the books, and asking questions.. the Prophet (saww) said that indeed the cure for ignorance is the question... just make sure you go to a learned person for the answers. There are some on this board... but this also invites other idiots who'll take this as a mud-slinging opportunity. Do you know of any ppl in your area who you'd consider knowledgable?

Oh yeh, regarding your question in the last post.. armughal posted something about that in the last few days.. run a search on the forum.

sex outside of marriage is considered as Zinah in Islam, may it be willingly or unwillingly of the opponent. Willingly being “Zinah Bil Razaa” often termed as Adultery and Unwillingly being “Zinah Bil jabar” commonly refered to as “Rape.” Having said that, Zinah bil jabar only requires the punishment of the offender, not the oppressor.

So, No Prophet:saw: could never have done that Ma’az Allah wa ﮏﻟ ﺍ ﺫ ﻦﻣ:naooz:

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You’ll never understand how happy I am to read this.

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YUSUFALI: Except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess,- for (in their case) they are free from blame,
PICKTHAL: Save from their wives or the (slaves) that their right hands possess, for then they are not blameworthy,
SHAKIR: Except before their mates or those whom their right hands possess, for they surely are not blameable,

A man is allowed to have sex with his wife and his female slaves according to the above verse.

You can read the rulings reagarding this at islam QA

You can also read more about slavery here
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M, yeh you are so correct. It creates confusions and misunderstandings... so lets stay ignorant of what our own books say, so ppl from here and there can read them and exploit it against us... nice!!

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I never said remain ignorant, I said reading these things without their explanation or reading them without thier context causes confusion. Do u have understanding of all the quran and all the hadiths?, so we have to go and ask the scholars. And no question is ever considered unworthy of asking., if it increases knowledge.

Sorry to dissapoint you But Ill quote the Prophets :saw: biography titled ‘Ar Raheeq Al Mukhtum’ in the section THE PROPHETIC HOUSEHOLD

“Besides these, he had two concubines. The first was Mariyah, the Coptic (an Egyptian Christian), a present gift from Al-Muqauqis, vicegerent of Egypt — she gave birth to his son Ibrâhim, who died in Madinah while still a little child, on the 28th or 29th of Shawwal in the year 10 A.H., i.e. 27th January, 632 A.D. The second one was Raihanah bint Zaid An-Nadriyah or Quraziyah, a captive from Bani Quraiza. Some people say she was one of his wives. However, Ibn Al-Qaiyim gives more weight to the first version. Abu ‘Ubaidah spoke of two more concubines, Jameelah, a captive, and another one, a bondwoman granted to him by Zainab bint Jahsh”

He had four concubines according to this.

Also other prophets had concubines such as Ibrahim :as: (Hajar the mother of Ishmail :as:, Sulayman :as: (the bible claims he had 300 wives and 700 concubines) as well as other prophets.

It has been allowed in the Quran and is not considered Zina. However since slavery no longer exists today it is not allowed anymore.

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It has been allowed in the Quran and is not considered Zina.

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That is it.

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But if he isn't married to those slaves, isn't it zina and thus a sin?

I thought slavery has been totally abolished and Islam doesn't allow slaves anymore.
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It clearly states it in the verse wives and slaves are allowed, it makes the distinction.

And yes since slavery is no longer around, it is no longer allowed and most scholars also say that slavery cannot be reintroduced, from what ive heard.