women should and must be in the workforce, as long as they dont go on an estrogen induced power trip and try to become the office emperess
Better to die 1000 times in glory than live without honor-Louis VI
Azad Munna - so am i to take it you dont think men at work face mental tensions?
I do not argue, just for clarification, that women should not give attention to their home.
But being a man, you might have a distorted view of what today's woman faces at home. With modern technology (ie. appliances, etc), women dont spend as much time and as much effort in doing housework. It really doesn't take that long to clean a house any longer.
Furthermore, when children are at a school going age, they are in school for a good part of the day, during which time, housewives twiddle their thumbs all day long.
Of course, there are always some women that can't get everything done no matter how much time is given to them. But many of us can manage the house and the kids and a job pretty well. This of course requires husbands to be a bit more sensitive and willing to pick up the kids from school, drop them off at soccer, and maybe baby sit FROM TIME TO TIME.
I think when you get down to it, the men who dont want their wives working are not as scared as the chance of their wife having an affair as much as they're afraid of having to do a little housework when things get stressful.
No doubt about it, some women choose to stay home, and that's great. After all, housekeeping and child-rearing is a NONPAID FULL TIME JOB, which is rarely appreciated by men. In fact, during the early years of childhood, a mother should spend as much time as possible. If her work allows it, she ought to take the child to work or work from home, if she can't take an extended maternal leave from her job, or if quitting is not an option.
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Originally posted by PyariCgudia:
**Azad Munna - so am i to take it you dont think men at work face mental tensions?"]]
:) Any living being caN be stressed under experimentation.Question is how many of& who ..... specially those who take on beyond there thresh hold.......tensions of less time & more engagements
I am just being fair to women…By all means if you can be the ceo,mother of as many children as your family ought to have & can maintain your marriage intact & happy ,by all means be my guest :k: :k: :k:
"I do not argue, just for clarification, that women should not give attention to their home.
But being a man, you might have a distorted view of what today’s woman faces at home. With modern technology (ie. appliances, etc), women dont spend as much time and as much effort in doing housework. It really doesn’t take that long to clean a house any longer.
Furthermore, when children are at a school going age, they are in school for a good part of the day, during which time, housewives twiddle their thumbs all day long.
Of course, there are always some women that can’t get everything done no matter how much time is given to them. But many of us can manage the house and the kids and a job pretty well. This of course requires husbands to be a bit more sensitive and willing to pick up the kids from school, drop them off at soccer, and maybe baby sit FROM TIME TO TIME.
I think when you get down to it, the men who dont want their wives working are not as scared as the chance of their wife having an affair as much as they’re afraid of having to do a little housework when things get stressful.
No doubt about it, some women choose to stay home, and that’s great. After all, housekeeping and child-rearing is a NONPAID FULL TIME JOB, which is rarely appreciated by men. In fact, during the early years of childhood, a mother should spend as much time as possible. If her work allows it, she ought to take the child to work or work from home, if she can’t take an extended maternal leave from her job, or if quitting is not an option]]".
:)Tell me why the family is in turmoil in industrial nations demanding women to work not by choice but compulsion of shortage of hands?producing such side effects
Women not marrying
Women getting past marriage age in pursuit of various careers,education ,job promotion etc.
women not choosing to have children
priorities of husband ,children pushed furtherback if monsterously pursuing financial independence & career, job satisfactions.
Its a multiple variables discision.I just present one view of it .Someone may not like it …Again few women are in lucky position working is o.k. but when it becomes norm ,it produces unwanted side effects of single motherhood,unwed pregnancy ,divorces,child abuse & neglect ,latch key syndrome 
,anxiety ,sleeplessness alcoholism,drugs ,…
THERE ARE ALWAYS WHO CAN PROVE ME DEAD WRONG 
.but i said its the majority that we talk about
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Women not marrying. Women getting past marriage age in pursuit of various careers,education ,job promotion etc. women not choosing to have children priorities of husband ,children pushed furtherback if monsterously pursuing financial independence & career, job satisfactions.
With the world's population increasing at a drastic and dangerous rate, I dont believe unmarried women and childless married women pose such a threat to the population as they did, oh say in 500 A.D. during the Prophet's time, or any other time period before industrialization.
Men have pushed back the priorities of their children and wives in order to further their ambitions. Now, when the tables are turned...men are set against their women living lives that they live every day. And the sorry excuse is that the majority of women can not handle managing a house and work. Allow me to use a little logic here.
Typical responsibilities of man: job, providing resources to his family, taking care of the house (things like pressure cleaning, washing cars, you know - outside work), paying attention to his children and providing the care and love they need.
Typical responsibilities of woman: cleaning the home (more inside-work oriented), changing diapers, cooking, paying attention to her children and providing the care and love they need.
Men , thus, manage to tend to their children, to their home and still have time for a career.
Women, thus, manage to tend to their children and their home.
Notice something missing in the last sentence?
Yes, a career.
If men can handle HOME, KIDS, and CAREER, then why are women entrusted with only HOME, and KIDS? Why is the career excluded?
One plausible explanation is that men naturally feel superior and dont feel women can handle half the things they can manage.
Another is the traditional fear that a wife might cheat or that another man will be feasting on the body which the husband feels only he can feast upon. And rightly so.
Thus, God came up with a brilliant plan. In order to eliminate the fear of other men intruding upon a husband's "property", He provided the Woman with the Hijab, the commandments in the Quran, the Bible, and the Torah of leading a chaste life, so that chaste husbands and wives may abound the earth.
This is precisely what is missing from Industrial Nations. Religion. Religion takes care of these fears, so that BOTH Man and Woman may work side by side without fear of devilish intents that lead to precisely what this thread is based upon: the classic Office Affair.
My friend, the problem is not the office environment. The problem is not the intelligence one must have to lead a career. The problem is not women in the workforce. The problem is what is in every individual's heart. The devil tugging strings inside of you. If you walk into the office with a chaste heart, NOTHING will drag you into an office affair, whether you are man or woman.
What people often forget is that this little devil that beckons to us every minute a handsome individual passes by, is that this devil can be controlled.
I ask you, how many of these so called affairs were being conducted by truly God-fearing pple?
Office affairs or women fornicating dont bother me as long as it is not my wife & sister
You essentially dont believe in RELIGION
You have FIGURED out by your A$$umption that god is conspiring with men to suit there lust ,ego & need first
I have a word for that when you A$$ume , u make A$$of.u.&.ME
If you dont remember that men & women are biologically anatomically socially hormonally genetically psychically ,ever physiological value wise from gm.of Haemoglobin to number of total white cells in the blood MEN & WOME are two different animals.
YET you have central goal of inch by inch centi meters by centimetres to be IDENTICAL to him.I dont oppppose you but i just ask have you asked yourself why ?
If you think career alone makes man happy then why do they fall in love or kneel & ask for a womans hand?
Why does a man desire a family if career is so easily attainable for men.?
You have any time frame when all those goals of woman be achieved BUT I HAVE A FEELING (not assumption) that yopu will always have one of the following excuse
1/ oh men control they did not let us do it all
2/ WOMEN keeps on asking for few more decades b/c gloria steinum & Betty Freiden for last 4 decades not only frustrated those 60s wome of era who burnt there bra but most of them have reverted back to religion & ultra orthodox life style of children home & husband like REBOUNDING coil stretched to the limit.
3/ i'll submit my self to you if one day you can produce EQUAL not ,one or two token but equal no. of women in all fields of military ,labour, mechanics, auto workers ,combat soldiers,domains that require courage, bravery ,brute force ,...not key board or writing poetry or teaching language more suited for women psychic.
"Experience is a hard teacher because she gives the test first, the lesson afterwards." -- Unknown
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**women should and must be in the workforce, as long as they dont go on an estrogen induced power trip and try to become the office emperess
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Anyone on a power trip should be out. Man or woman. Offices are n't run by emperors or empresses.
But there is no reason why a man can't have a woman boss.
Azad Munna, I'd suggest you read my response again. I dont think you've understood me.
I believe that the reason why office affairs occur in the first place, is because of a LACK of religion or religious values in society.
That pretty much describes ANY society in the world today, as very FEW people are truly religious, even though MOST people claim to have a religion.
I do not argue that men and women are not biologically equal. They're not. But that has nothing to do with the ability to do a job right. ie. If I became a neurosurgeon, my hormones have no control over my skill as a neurosurgeon. Because jobs dont depend upon hormone trips. They depend upon skill and women have the same skills men do , as proven by scores on standardized tests between men and women, performance in the workfield, etc.
2ndly you talk of women who have reverted back to their domestic duties after going thru a women's lib phase. That is their choice. That is what we women on this thread are trying to prove - its a woman's choice whether to work or not, not her father's or husband's. Some women prefer to chill at home - and there is nothing wrong with it. But the fact of the matter is MANY women stay home, because they're forced to or they dont have the guts to enter the workfield because they're afraid of upsetting a man in their life. And my point is: they shouldn't be afraid to work if they WANT to work.
P.G.
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I think most of the inhibitions ,fear,intrepidation,hesitency,unsureness,self pity,excuses,reasonings are self imposed & self fullfilling .
Dont we approach women with kids glove ,dont we lump human children & women services as part of social services.As men ,we men are to be kind ,tolerent even when like with our children we know they are wrong.
Women can be equal to men in those areas ,yes brain,fine skills ,some managerial ,but with exceptions of Chyna & Alis daughter muscular combat marine work force ideally manly exclusive domain.
Even in fine skills the women as mosdt prominent herat or neuro surgeon are men even though almost 50% of doctors now are women???
What is a herat?
Neurosurgeons are mostly men, because this profession requires a LOT of time, and attention.
Most neurosurgeons find they can't handle it when they have families, and most female doctors choose not to go into the field because of all the time it takes up.
Some women do it though. And there's nothing wrong in an unmarried woman choosing a career over having a family.
Yes, I agree that there are some fields that women should be wary of, unless if there's some emergency - like military work. But even in the military, there is no harm in teaching skills like using equipement, etc to women, in case there is some emergency and women must defend themselves along with men. Many women do work in the military and they do the behind-the-scenes work. But I dont think that its that women can't handle military work -- it has more to do with the interference of sexual tension on a battlefield.
P.G.
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why u r guddia ? or doll ?why not Munni ?or pyari Munni ?
herat = heart
you want to be equal to cardiologist neurosurgeon,marine & cant unscramble a small puzzle ?
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WHATEVER
I see you dont have anything substantial to say.
That's totally allright.
Perhaps before you start knocking females down as inept to handle a workload, you ought to learn how to spell.
Spelling mistakes is not mistakes in some ppl. but dyslexia in which the alphabets are reversed.
MMost of dyslexic are very gifted & what is spelling when a moron spellcheck can straighten it out if you were to write a book or news paper ,IT is least of concern of modern english knowing ppl.
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a spelling mistake is grounds for proving dyslexia and gifted talents?
ooh lets all start spelling our words wrong - maybe pple will think we’re intelligent!
I dunno whats it all about but your logic is called illogical
Housefly has wings & fly
Birds have wings & fly
But a fly is not bird
Reena please elaborate.
The statement of mine you posted was sarcasm, by the way.
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Pyari G
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Dont take it personally .I didnt mean that way .Grammitical, syntax ,spelling mistakes on key board is not so much result of “not knowing” as skill levels of typing ,time constraint ,less attention ,considering it least important & not minding too much etc.etc, so dont judge posts as true reflection of the guppies competency ,its too fleeting & can misslead you
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Luv Ya
Clean your Own Mess
Everyone must work and women are no exception. As far as my experience goes I have found women to be more pragmatic and meticulous. It is not fair to pick up one aspect of the working women and thrash them for something we male are largely responsible for...
soo whats the conclusion..
the arguments used by some of the guppies(who strongly support the idea of a “house wife”) show their possessive and caring nature towards their (to-be) wife. This i think should be taken as a positive aspect of their nature.
guppies who strongly favour working men seem to negate their fellow guppies cause’ they prefer to make their own decisions and are tired of stereotype thinking of the society.
conclusion:
hope the respected guppies find their better halves who share their ideas; so they
can live happily ever after
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just my two cents
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Women should be working this way you can expand the output of a nation as more people are producing as well families get richer so consumption also increases. This makes the whole nation richer...
I beleive it is in response to this topic that women have decided to have their own conference on the subj in Barcelona....mind u 30% of the business in Europe and Americas today is being run by women