Women in Hijjab in Pakistan

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Hijab is fardh. It's the command of Allah.

Whether or not a girl wears it, is her choice. But you can't say that a hijabi and a nonhijabi are equal, because we will be judged and categorized by our deeds on the Day of Judgement, so obviously someone who follows the religion more closely will be rewarded accordingly.

If not wear hijab, or not praying, or not fasting, was not a "big deal", why would anyone do it?

:)

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Can you provide some proof Hijab is Fardh from the texts?

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very difficult to find this segment.

Hee strider take care of Frodo Baggins. :)

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interesting forum. though before I say a comment(or two!) I would like to state that Im by no means any kind of expert on Islam.

In general, I think people should be modest and have a clean heart and mind. We should do what we think is right and what would be considered appropriate 'n modest by our parents/family/environment. I dont agree in forcing anything on anyone as that only seems to backfire (especially if your a teenager) but rather 'encourage' by example . I find the full Burqa inhumane and unnatural.. u cant do Hajj in one of those things where ur allowed to see a womans face so how can a women exist in her daily life with such a thing and not have her face seen? Also, if one where to read the Holy Quran, the section on Purdah begins with the Purdah of Men and how they should behave and act prior to giving the details for women.
In the end, people should focus on getting educated, using their minds, study, awareness of the world and world events, work for social and community benefit of the Muslim communities(ummah) and/or Pakistan, and most of all, not fall prey to petty arguments and attacks against fellow muslims. Were stuck on petty things and missing out on the bigger issues and goals of our community:)
P.S. I hope I didnt offend anyone (if I did, I apologize)

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Maybe uve been around too many prostitutes. Stop watching porn and wandering Heera mandi :)

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In the Quran, it says when you go abroad as in a non-muslim country, u should cover up entirely to be recognized as a muslim and not be molested/teased/and so forth.
And also, In the hadith it gives specifics on the hijab for men and women.

If you dont want to, its ur choice, not the rite one, but its ur choice.

What if you married(love) and your wife is mad..
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SUMMARY:
**Quran is very clear about the dress code for the believers. Innovations and fabrication intorduced Hijab (veil) to Islam (submission.) Hijab (veil) is a traditional, not religious head cover that dates back to ancient civilizations, and is not supported or advocated by the Quran. **

INTRODUCTION:
God, the Most Gracious, Most Merciful, insists on making His religion easy, practical and enjoyable for His true believers. God also told us that those who reject Him or His books are making life miserable for themselves and for their loved ones who follow in their footsteps.
He reminds us in the Quran that He has placed no hardship on us in practicing our religion (see 22:78).
"You shall strive for the cause of GOD as you should strive for His cause. He has chosen you and has placed no hardship on you in practicing your religion - the religion of your father Abraham. ................................" 22:78
God established also several rules in His book, the Quran, for His TRUE believers. Breaking any of His rules or refusing any of them means loss, misguidance, misery and eternal suffering. To understand a topic like the DRESS CODE for Muslim Women, we need to review quickly some of these rules established by our Creator, God Almighty, to whom we will be responsible for our deeds. Every rule is important and every rule is meant to be.
The Quran is a complete book, See 6:19,38,114, 115, 12:111 and 50:45.
Remember that when God says that His book is complete, it means 100% complete.
"..........We did not leave ANYTHING out of this book." 6:38
"The word of your Lord is COMPLETE, in truth and justice. Nothing shall abrogate His words. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient." 6:115
The Quran is perfect; no mistakes, no falsehood, no nonsense.
"No falsehood could enter it (Quran), in the past or in the future; a revelation from a Most Wise, Praiseworthy." 41:42
".......All ruling belongs to God, and He has ruled that you shall not worship except Him. This is the PERFECT RELIGION, but most people do not know." 12:40 (see also 30:30, 30:43 and 98:5).
The Quran is detailed, and when God says He detailed His book it means FULLY detailed. God does not do half jobs.
"Shall I seek other than GOD as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed? Those who received the scripture recognize that it has been revealed from your Lord, truthfully. You shall not harbor any doubt." 6:114 (See also, 7:52, 11:1, 41:3, 10:37 and 12:111)
God does not need any addition to His book. God teaches us in the Quran that He does not run out of words and that if He so willed He could have given us hundreds, thousands or millions of books besides the Quran (see 18:109). Since the Quran is complete, perfect and fully detailed, God did not give us any more books. **
*God calls His book, the Quran, the BEST HADITH. HE called on His true believers to accept no other hadiths as a source of this perfect religion *. See 7:185, 31:6, 39:23, 45:6, and 77:50.
"Have they not looked at the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all the things God has created? Does it ever occur to them that the end of their life may be near? Which HADITH, besides this (Quran) do they believe in?" 7:185
*God calls on His true believers to make sure not to fall in the trap of idol-worship by following the words of the scholars instead of the words of God (see 9:31). *
***God calls those who prohibit what He did not prohibit, aggressors, liars and idol-worshipers. Idol-worship is the only unforgivable sin, if maintained till death.* See, 5:87, 9:37, 7:32, 6:119, 6:140 and 10:59.
"O you who believe, do not prohibit good things that are made lawful by God, and do not aggress; God dislikes the aggressors." 5:87
"Say, "Did you note how God sends down to you all kinds of provisions, then you render some of them unlawful, and some lawful?" Say, "Did God give you permission to do this? Or, do you fabricate lies and attribute them to God?" 10:59
Muhammed is represented only by the Quran. The Prophet Muhammed was the last Prophet and a messenger of God (33:40). He was not the messenger of God because of who he (Muhammed) was, but because he was given the Quran (the message) to deliver to the world. The religion of Islam is a religion of God, not about Muhammed, who was blessed by God with the delivery of the message of the Quran. He did not have an agenda of his own. His job was to deliver to the world what God was giving him, the Quran. See 42:48, 13:40, 5:99-100
Muhammed cannot prohibit things, or make lawful things on his own. When he tried to do that God admonished him publicly, see 66:1
"O you prophet, why do you prohibit what GOD has made lawful for you, just to please your wives? GOD is Forgiver, Merciful."66:1
66:1 reminds us that God is the only ONE to prohibit or make things lawful. NO ONE can attribute to Muhammed a prohibition that God did not give him in the Quran. Anyone who tries to do so is admitting his/her refusal of God's words and commandments in the Quran.
The TRUE believers KNOW that when God says something, He means it, and when He does not, he means it as well. Everything given to us in the Quran was done deliberately and everything left out was also left out deliberately.
God does not forget. See 19:64. **We are not to add to this religion what God deliberately left out and claim it to be from Him or His messenger. His messenger has only ONE message, the Quran. God already told us He does not run out of words. 18:109 **
God does not need us to improve on His book, the Quran, but we very much need Him for every aspect of our lives. Those who think they have some improvement on the Quran are but asking for recognition of their idols as gods besides the ONE and ONLY GOD.
**Fabricated hadiths tried to add to Islam (Submission) what the disbelievers thought God forgot to mention in the Quran. **
God calls on His TRUE believers to verify every piece of information they see, hear or read, see 17:36.
"You shall not accept any information, unless you verify it for yourself. I have given you the hearing, the eyesight, and the brain, and you are responsible for using them." 17:36 So, Please VERIFY for yourself.

THE WORD "HIJAB" in the QURAN
"Hijab" is the term used by many Muslims women to describe their head cover that may or may not include covering their face except their eyes, and sometimes covering also one eye. The Arabic word "Hijab" can be translated into veil or yashmak. Other meanings for the word "Hijab" include, screen, cover(ing), mantle, curtain, drapes, partition, division, divider.
Can we find the word "Hijab" in the Quran??
The word "Hijab" appeared in the Quran 7 times, five of them as "Hijab" and two times as "Hijaban," these are 7:46, 33:53, 38:32, 41:5, 42:51, 17:45 & 19:17.
**None of these "Hijab" words are used in the Quran in reference to what the traditional Muslims call today (Hijab) as a dress code for the Muslim woman. **
God knows that generations after Muhammed's death the Muslims will use the word "Hijab" to invent a dress code that He never authorized. God used the word "Hijab" ahead of them just as He used the word "Hadith" ahead of them. Hijab in the Quran has nothing to do with the Muslim Women dress code.

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While many Muslims call "Hijab", an Islamic dress code, they completely ignore the fact that, Hijab as a dress code has nothing to do with Islam and nothing to do with QURAN.
"Hijab" or veil can be traced back to early civilizations. It can be found in early and late Roman and Greek art. The evidence can be seen in archeological discoveries whether in pottery fragments, paintings or recorded civil laws. In Greco-Roman culture, both women and men wore head covering in religious contexts. **The tradition of wearing the veil (by women) and the headcover (by men) was then adopted by the Jews who wrote it in the Talmud (Talmud equals the Hadiths and Sunna, neither are the words of God) then the Christians adopted the same. A well respected Rabbi once explained to a group of Jewish young women, "We do not find a direct command in the Torah mandating that women cover their heads, but we do know that this has been the continuing custom for thousands of years." **After the prophet Muhammad's death , the writers of the hadith books adopted and encouraged the ancient tradition of head covering. Hadith book' writers took after the Jews as they did with many other traditions , and alleged them to the prophet since the Quran did not command it. ****
Any student of the Jewish traditions or religious books will see that head cover for the Jewish woman (and men) has been encouraged by the Rabbis and religious leaders. Observant Jewish women still cover their heads most of the time and specially in the synagogues, weddings, and religious festivities. **
*Christian women cover their heads in many religious occasions while the nuns cover their heads all the time. *
*As we can expect the traditional Arabs, of all religions, Jews, Christians and Muslims used to wear head cover, or "Hijab," not because of Islam, but because of tradition. In Saudi Arabia, up to this day most of the men cover their heads , not because of Islam but because of tradition. *
*North Africa is known for its Tribe (Tuareg) that have the Muslim men wearing "Hijab" instead of women. Here the tradition has the hijab in reverse. If wearing Hijab is the sign of the pious and righteous Muslim woman, Mother Teresa would have been the first woman to be counted. *
*In brief, hijab is a traditional dress and has nothing to do with Islam or religion. In certain areas of the world, men are the ones who wear the hijab while in others the women do. *
**Mixing religion with tradition is a form of idolworship, since the followers of traditions are following laws from sources other than God's scriptures and claim it to be from God. Idolworship is the only unforgivable sin if maintained till death.
Ignoring what God asks you to do in His book, or following innovated laws not stated in the the Quran, is a clear sign of disregarding God and His message. **When tradition supersedes God's commandment, the true religion takes a second place. God never accepts to be second, God has to be always the FIRST and to HIM there is no second.**

Mubarik do lifey ko
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well put dude, nice simple and plain yet right to the point!:) uberalles took a different path(couldnt even read the whole thing! and came to the same conclusion)

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extremely interesting post! well put :clap:

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covering herself is action of a muslimah........revealing herself is action of a rejecter a kafir.
revealing herself does'nt make her kafir.but it is the action of a kafir.

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kaafir earns dollars, euros, pounds, yens, etc.. from companies using gambles on stockmarkets to exist, will you stop using using kaafir money (all currency available in the planet) to prove you're muslim??

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for uberalles

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no i'll use muslim money..........

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can you tell me what it is? gold, oil, silver?

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I said I will use Muslim money when there will be one.

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You speak like a true believer of radical or fundamentalist dictation on what a woman should do and be.

Modern , educated , confident, independent muslim women do not respond to your kind.

Women in burqas get raped, 80 year old women without burqas get raped therefore your mysogynistic diatribe directed to me is MOOT.

Enlighten yourself that we modern muslim women are strong, independent, confident and educated and we will grow in numbers!!!:faizy: :nuch: .

Perhaps you are not secure enough in your manhood Hareem for such a woman? And may you take the time to enlighten your muslim brothers that no matter what a woman wears , respect is due to her from a man. Shalll I have to repeat even women in burqas get raped and so do 80 year old women without.

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^ Hareem is a woman.

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If she is she does not promote WOMANHOOD.

Nothing is more important for a woman than education in life and being raised to possess self confidence and inner strenghth .

There will always be people who will use GOD as an admonition for a woman to remain in her 'place' and usually by males who have dominated society's socio-political enironment. And there will always be people who will tell a woman be more quite, be less assertive, be less challenging , be more subdued, be less visible etc

WHY? WHY? WHY? . Example: Should the spouse die etc they are left bereft and society around quickly assumes she needs man and all will be well. If she has children they say poor widow , find her a man. Some are so loss they do not know how to proceed in being self reliant. Self reliance begins with enlightenment!! Having a good education is the most important. Having good marketable employment skills follows. It is so important to develope these skills before marriage and keeping them uptodate while married if not working! This will help develop confidence, stamina and spine in a woman to stand stall and not be seen as a victim but a TALL STRONG INDEPENDENT WOMAN no matter the height in frame and no matter what befalls at her feet whether she be single, married or widowed.

As a woman make noise, be adorned and make yourself beautiful in day of light , be recognized , pe proud of your sex and be proud of your own choices that make you happy in life for nothing is easier than being a meek sheep and even perhaps a victim of circumstance and ALLAH will look upon you with pride. THis wisdom comes my mother!

Remember for every strong woman out there the future is bright for all little girls who want to be more than someone's obedient daughter, wife , or woman of society for many are out there believing a woman in a Burqa is her place and thus a non entitiy on the street, especially in parochial dominated societies. History is witness to this truth.

The struggle for women in countries like Aghanistan, Saudia Arabia I can never empathize with as I have never experienced such suppression of my womanhood but have much sympathy. There are still too many societies in this world where women struggle !!

**DON"T be a victim BE A WOMAN.:) **

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I gather mother was also a weak woman who obeyed because man said it is so willed.