Re: Women in Hijjab in Pakistan
You took the liberty to insult Allah? wearing the HIJAB will not make you now a good muslim. Enlighten yourself and reread what I posted as I can't believe the skull is so thick and the air is so dense in any human crown.
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**If she is she does not promote WOMANHOOD.
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I strongly disagree with her for considering anyone who doesn’t wear hijab a hypocrite or a kafir..its arrogancy and its not the type of attitude thats needed of Muslims at all.. 
** Nothing is more important for a woman than education in life and being raised to possess self confidence and inner strenghth .
**Agree wit ya here, but who are you to say women who wear hijab are not confident and weak? I know plenty of girls who are confident and smart and, in some ways strong. They are very gorgeous w/o their hijab and their hair down, but they cover up anyway coz they know that’s what’s right.. Physically a scarf can suit some girls, and not others.. bu tthe ones who it doesnt suit (aesthetically speaking) and they wear it, gud for em.. that takes alotta confidence :k:
** There will always be people who will use GOD as an admonition for a woman to remain in her ‘place’ and usually by males who have dominated society’s socio-political enironment. And there will always be people who will tell a woman be more quite, be less assertive, be less challenging , be more subdued, be less visible etc
WHY? WHY? WHY? . Example: Should the spouse die etc they are left bereft and society around quickly assumes she needs man and all will be well. If she has children they say poor widow , find her a man. Some are so loss they do not know how to proceed in being self reliant. Self reliance begins with enlightenment!! Having a good education is the most important. Having good marketable employment skills follows. It is so important to develope these skills before marriage and keeping them uptodate while married if not working! This will help develop confidence, stamina and spine in a woman to stand stall and not be seen as a victim but a TALL STRONG INDEPENDENT WOMAN no matter the height in frame and no matter what befalls at her feet whether she be single, married or widowed.**
Tell that to men whos egos feel threatened because their wife wants to worK 
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As a woman make noise, be adorned and make yourself beautiful in day of light , be recognized , pe proud of your sex and be proud of your own choices that make you happy in life** for nothing is easier than being a meek sheep and even perhaps a victim of circumstance and ALLAH will look upon you with pride. THis wisdom comes my mother!
** Remember for every strong woman out there the future is bright for all little girls who want to be more than someone’s obedient daughter, wife , or woman of society for many are out there believing a woman in a Burqa is her place and thus a non entitiy on the street, especially in parochial dominated societies. History is witness to this truth.**
Burqa does not mean a woman is being controlled by a man, again most of the womne I know (speakin froM Ameircan perspective) feel more in control when they wear it. Personally speaking, my dad NEVER forced it on my mom, she took it on her own.. in fact she only did it when her friend who was married toa molvi, started wearing nikaab, but she took it off and 10-12 yrs later my mom hasn’t and still gets made fun of by my phupo sometimes for keeping her burka on at weddings 
I don’t speak for pakistani or arab society since I am not from the latter, but here in America most women have a choice of what they wanna wear, whether its a miniskir,t or a burka.. it all boils down to personal choice..
** The struggle for women in countries like Aghanistan, Saudia Arabia I can never empathize with as I have never experienced such suppression of my womanhood but have much sympathy. There are still too many societies in this world where women struggle !!
**I was arguing about this in my international relations class, because a lot of stuff i’ve read in textboosk and American media, they make too much of an emphasis on hijab/scarf/abaya/burka. I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say that I think women there have bigger things to worry about than covering their hair and body, like how to feed and support their families since earning a decent living there would not be as easy as say over here.
DON"T be a victim BE A WOMAN.
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ISLAMIST STATE LIKE AFGHANISTAN USED BURQA TO MAKE WOMEN NON ENTITIES ON THE STREET
IT IS A SYMBOL OF THAT
FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION EXISTS IN USA , HOWEVER NAZI SYMBOL IS STILL A NAZI SYMBOL EVEN IF PEOPLE WERE IT BY CHOICE IE SKIN HEADS
WOMEN IN AFGHANISTAN WEAR BURQAS , MANY BECAUSE THEY ARE USED TO IT BUT INITIALLY IT WAS TO KEEP THEM AS PROPERTY AND NON ENTITIES --- SAUDI INFLUENCE , BECAREFUL WHAT YOU THINK IS FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION DID NOT RISE FROM FREEDON OF EXPRESSION
I DO NOT SUPPORT BURQA, HIJAB IS A PERSONAL CHOICE, BUT IN NO WAY WILL I EVER SUPPORT NON-ENTITY STREET GARB CREATED BY MAN.
AND THE WEST SHOULD BAN THE BURQA .
NEVER EVER
SORRY FOR CAPS , :)
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My biggest argument is that Hijab is not something Allah mandated, and stating it is religious mandate is FALSE.
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who are you to tell me that i have no right to protect my skin from the burning sun, and tell me i’m garbage when i wear burqa?
FREEDOM! i know only freedom! and i want to be free to wear a bikini to swimming pool, or burqa in subcontinental streets…and these clothes do not affect my brain content
the west is maybe north enough, but i wouldnot want to work in field in florida without burqa, cause i don’t want to get a lifting when i’m 40:halo:
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I agree with you on that.
But as Sara said, a woman, or a man, should be free to wear what he feels appropriate to the weather situation, and to her/his comfort
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Would you like me to steal his ring? 
Depends on what you say. I believe Hijab is a contextual word - not specifically meaning a piece of clothing on your head but rather, to be decently covered. For example, a woman wearing loose-fitting pants and a jacket is decently covered for me. Someone can follow a religion as closely as they want but it’s to their advantage to know what and why they’re doing it in the first place.
Yes, we will be judged by many things, hijab will be one of them but far too many things that we will be judged by outweigh hijab. For that reason, strict hijab is not a priority.
Also, niqabi, I believe Hijab is not one of the five pillars of Islam.
Perhaps that’s why it does not have too much priority?
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** Also, niqabi, I believe Hijab is not one of the five pillars of Islam.** Perhaps that’s why it does not have too much priority?
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Oh dint ya know hijab has become the sixth pillar.. above prayer, above fasting, above everything else.. :)
Re: Women in Hijjab in Pakistan
There are many clothing styles to wear to protect one from the sun, and there is the option to sit under shade . Wearing a TENT/BURQA is still a symbol of suppression as it has been used in Saudi and Afghanistan against women as non entities on the street. See Afghanis women prior to Taliban regime introduction of BURQA and hopefully you will understand.
You may use it to protect yourself from the sun but many women do not have that as an option rather as a forced garb to wear.
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You may use it to protect yourself from the sun but many women do not have that as an option rather as a forced garb to wear.
sorry i don't want to be obliged to sit under shade, i want to be free to go where i need to, and veil on my face is the only way to protect it efficiently from the sun, as you may know cap/hats protect only from direct rays,but not from rays reflected by walls, water, etc...
burqa is a cultural clothing style in muslim subcontient, where pardah, ie seclusion of women from male stranger sight was a symbol of the upper class! To provide even lower class women for a solution to pardah observance, the "burqa" style of clothing was invented, so that women were free to go outside of the house!
so actually burqa is a freedom clothing style because it allows women to go out of their house and do their business as they want while protecting them for male sight, and sun!
ps, see the nice review on the topic from respected anthropologist, David G Mandelbaum "women's seclusion and men's honor"
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To the brain washed everything seems it is done by choice.
Too many women are FORCED TO WEAR BURQA by men, it is MEN WHO INSTIGATED THE FORCED WEARING OF BURQA IN AFGHANISTAN. and there are many who are brain washed to believe when FUNDAMENTALISTS AND EXTREMISTS PREACHE THAT IT IS COMMANDED BY ALLAH.
HONOR KILLINGs does not belong to a specific religion but RATHER IT IS CULTURAL. Yet too many out there believe it is good and noble to do this to save family honor or what ever mispercieved insult to honor they think they have suffered. JUST FLIRTING has gone a girl killed!! WOMEN have supported honor killings, mothers have supported honor killings and not only the men of the family. Some even have believed and believe it is GOD's will and way to do this. BRAINWASHED ENOUGH TO THINK THIS IS GOOD AND MORAL RIGHT TO DO TO THEIR OWN OFFSPRING AND SIBLING!!!
AS SUCH, same goes for BURQA. AND BURQA IS A TENT. Sun on face or reflecting off the water is reaching to far for a merited support....One can die tripping over small rock on a path, therefore stay eternally indoors is the same supportive argument and shun the outdoors.:)
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Try living in the Peshwar region of Pakistan they are just as backwards in developing women's rights.
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You have stated a falsehood and have miscontrued what I wrote to suit your argument.
In addition, The western world is north, south, east and west. Perhaps a recheck on geography of democratic goverments should be on your educational agenda next time you decide to be informed. At least the west does not send people to death for converting to a religion they decide best fits their happiness in life.
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In conclusion:
God, the MOST GRACIOUS, MOST MERCIFUL decided that those who will reject His complete book and go look for other sources for guidance will suffer in this life and in the HEREAFTER by their choice. God never put any hardship on the believers, but the scholars did, they invented their own laws in defiance of God, to regulate everything from the side of bed you sleep on, to which foot should step in the house, to what to do with a fly in your soup, to what to say when having intercourse with your spouse (hadiths and sunnah).
Those who believe in God and believe that His book is COMPLETE, PERFECT AND FULLY DETAILED, will have everything easy for them as God promised, See 10:62-64, 16:97 while those who could not believe God and have been seeking other sources than the Quran will have all the hardship of this life and the life to come. In the Hereafter they will complain to God, "we were not idol-worshipers," but God knows best, He knows they were See 6:22-24 "On the day when we summon them all, we will ask the idol worshipers, "Where are the idols you set up?" Their disastrous response will be, "By GOD our Lord, we never were idol worshipers." Note how they lied to themselves, and how the idols they had invented have abandoned them." 6:22-24
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you did not not even see the irony in my comment about the north situation of florida 
do you want to prove you’re stubborn?
it’s sad because your points about hijaab being cultural is so true, it’s sad you stain you arguments with so much narrow mindness regarding freedom to choose clothes
i live in a country where hijaab is forbidden in schools and most work places, is that fair to women who want to wear hijab? no because it means they have to stop school and work and stay home, where is freedom left?
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I basically agree. I think Hijab (and even Niqab) should be a choice, neither should be banned, nor forced. Both are cultural (I dont think Pakistani culture either). Burqas from what I know of Afghanistan (which isnt a whole lot), only came into existence following the anarchy, and banditry that occurred following the Soviet invasion, and still women dont feel safe, so I guess they wear it, or it’s slowly become more the in thing. But the comment that Burkhas are worn all over Peshawar is nonsense. A lot of Peshawari women do cover their hair though.
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I agreed totally with the ban, i was 100 percent behind the ban. France is another culture and when you live in another culture you do as that culture does, its called having respect and assimilating otherwise move back or remain at home and wear it also at mosque. As for quitting work, school etc, how weak to use that as an excuse to remain indolent and ignorant.
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lots of comedians think they are funny , many are not, that is why education is so important. i think i advised you on education , therefore I was proven right.
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no pardah and burqa is far older than soviet union. read the book i advised for more detailed information
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I agreed totally with the ban, i was 100 percent behind the ban. France is another culture and when you live in another culture you do as that culture does, its called having respect and assimilating otherwise move back or remain at home and wear it also at mosque. As for quitting work, school etc, how weak to use that as an excuse to remain indolent and ignorant.
you don't like freedom, it's your choice, so don't complain when people force you to wear burqa some other places