Re: Women in Hijjab in Pakistan
jazak allah sis 
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I was listening to one of lectures of Yousaf Estes(HE WAS A american CHRISTIAN PRIEST AND THEN EMBRACED ISLAM,now a islamic preacher and scholar,website islamtomorrow.com),there was one question from ladies about HIJAB,quoting one hadith
""that all those wome who dont wear hijab ,there husbands,father,or brother will be answerable to ALLAH""
the question was about this hadith,
his respose was that,
In islam ,no one is answerable for the acts of others but here following is explaination that he gave
Women is not accountable by ALLAH for this if she doent wear hijab.
there mahrams are held responsilbe bez there are three resposibilities of Mahrams
1)have they taught there ladies about this requirment by ALLAH.like
a women is not required to wear hijab infront of there mahrams,in her home etc etc
2) Has he bought her the appropriate hijab( he said in joke no women in whole world will say no to new clothes)
3)has he created an enviroment in which she wears hijab and feel comfortable like have you appreciated your wife or sis for wearing hijab,like encourgement.etc etc
so for these reasons a women mehrams will bi held responsibe.
in the end
ALLAH knows the best and May HE forgive me If I have mis understood some thing,I wrote every thing in good will.
and to Sara516
she worte this is not the biggest sin there are so many other bad things around and gals in pakistan do etc etc etc.
I have once studied Hazrat Ali quote
""BIGGEST SIN IS THE ONE WHICH YOU IN YOUR HEART CONSIDER THAT THIS IS A MINOR THING""
and we all our answerable to ALLAH for our own acts so what all gals in pakistan do its there own life.We as Muslims have one responsibility that if we see wrong thing then
either stop it by hand if not
stop it by words,if not
then just in your heart think that it is a bad thing but this is lowest standard of imman
PLZ I am not criticizing you just trying to make a piont across and you have every right to differ from me.For we all muslims that do unislamic things not just gals also guys inclucing me myself need a lot of education.many of us need to tuned on islamic lines properly and need continous support and guidance.
for a Muslim the say ,its a deal contract betwwen ALLAH and a Muslim,that in this world you follow what I(ALLAH ) says and in next world he will gave reward to those who fulfil the contract. and islam is not a religion,its a deen(way of life), a way of life chosen by ALLAH for those who believe.
MAY ALLAH forgive me if i have wrongly conveyed any thing and I am sorry if i have hurt any one esp u sara.JAZA KUMUL KHAIR.
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Quran also does not stop from blow job, and other non-coital sexual activities, so from what this “PhD” blabberedall is okay 
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very likely it was your family/village/community thing which they have given up during last 20 years. I saw bared-headed women in 70s, 80s, 90s, 00s etc. "niqab" faded out (of course not completely) in 70s, during Ziaul Haq's so called "Islamisation" it got some life again, then in 90s again it faded out..... now only a very small percentage wears one. Half-sleeves, sleeve-less , transparent clothing are the "inn" things now, of course not "All" women are dressed that way but you'll see it much more common in coming years.
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To S-A
Our religion is Islam.Our Country is Pakistan.Islamic Democratic.
You can't be Islamic and democratic at the sametime.
First We need to change our culture.Pakistani Culture can be changed into an Islamic culture but Islamic Culture can't be changed into Pakistani culture.
Alhamdulilah.....that in Pakistan most women cover themselves........but every year the idea of Hijjab or aurah is getting fade.Because of the "media'.
Yes it is the responsibilty of "Mush" to establish Islamic culture or society in his country.
But The problem is His country is not "Islamic".........Its either Islamic or Democratic.
You can't be Islamic and Democratic at the same time.
Mush can't do that......... that on tv women come be hijjab....and other hand you start forcing women to wear hijjab and jilbahs...........
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i wear a hijab, and trust me it took me a really long time to figure out the amount of responsibility that comes with it. i would wear a hijab because i thought it made me a better muslim, but i was wrong. After a lot of time studying the religion [the actual religion, and not the cultural religion that is so wide spread in pakistan] i realised the true meaning of hijab. People who observe proper hijab realise that it really is a way of life, which includes getting up at 5 in the morning to pray.
Although many people feel that the pakistani media needs to put forth positive images towards women in islam, its not the biggest problem, more importantly i think there needs to be a seperation of religion and culture.
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what is "Islamic culture"? There is NOTHING like Islamic culture. You adapt Islam and make sure customs of your LOCAL culture which are against Islam are modified/dropped to fit Islam into your life. Islam doesn't demand a "culture", IMO.
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to captain
agree
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Thanks to saro and inzi_rocks and Ramsha and others for posting thier comments.............nice talk by the way
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separation of culture and religion is the open gate to alcohol, drugs, half naked women wandering the streets, clubbing, etc…i’m not sure it’s what you want?
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parissenoor, thats not really what i meant, sorry if i wasn't clear. What i meant was that people need to realise the **difference **between culture and religion. a lot of the time i've noticed that weird cultural ideas get translated into religion and i think a screwed up prespective of what the real religion teaches is much worse then not wearing hijab.
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hijab has a philosophy behind it,it screams a certain way of life just like full beard of a maulvi does.
yes men r responsible for their women not covering up but then we will have feminazis on ur a$$es again.
many dont wear hijabs n still r very good muslims.some take it off before committing adultery.so wear hijabs with sea thru n half sleeves.in one i cud even spot her polka colored panties.
why the big issue of beards n hijabs.maybe coz we can see it n point perhaps?i repeat ....it screams of a specific lifestyle. we cannot gauge the taqwa so have to have something to point to i suppose.
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Peace Karakush
I think the problem is that people need to define the word Hijab to undertand it properly ... So here we go ...
Hijab - lit. protection - it is a mode of behaviour and attitude designed to protect the person who observes it.
Khimar, Burka, Niqab, Scarf, etc ... are items of clothing designed to help assist the woman in observing her hijab.
Men need to observe hijab also ... they do this by lowering their gaze ... in other words they protect themselves from the fitnah of the lure of women and fitnah of the aggression of another man by lowering his gaze it is a sign of humility and a subconcious statement that "I submit" and "I am no threat".
Likewise for the woman who observes hijab she does so to protect herself from luring perverted men and protects herself from envious and jealous women. She does so by covering her body and keeping her mannerisms minimal and bland.
If for example a woman is completely covered from head to toe, but she wears very strong scent, loud noisy shoes and jewelry and walks with her hips from side to side and talks out loud so people can hear her ... this is not hijab ... this is a very immodest woman who is merely covered.
Likewise if a woman who is modest as much as she wants to be according to Pakistani/Indian culture but she has some parts of her aura uncovered, then she is unprotected from luring men so she also has not completely undertaken the hijab.
Hijab is a combination of a pure internal attitude and good outer presentation designed to protect the hijabi (male or female) from fitnah.
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Muslim women observe HIJAB (covering the head and the body) because Allah has told them to do so.
"O Prophet, tell your wives and daughters and the believing women to draw their outer garments around them (when they go out or are among men). That is better in order that they may be known (to be Muslims) and not annoyed..." (Qur'an 33:59)
[INDENT]"Say to the believing man that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that will make for greater purity for them; and *Allah is well acquainted with all that they do. And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; and that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what must ordinarily appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands..."* (Qur'an 24:30-31)
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Really? How/why? Is it mentioned somewhere in Quran?
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Good point. There is big size of population which follows "cultural religion" due to mixup of culture and religion.
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"And they (women), have rights (over their husbands as regards living expenses) similar (to those of their husbands) over them (as regards obedience and respect) to what is reasonable*, But men have a degree (of responsibility) over them*." (Holy Qur'an, 2:228)
"I advise you to treat women well, for they are like captives under your control." (Al-Bukhari and Muslim)
"As to those women on whose part you see ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (next) refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly, if it is useful); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance)..." (Holy Qur'an, 4:34)
"Men are the protectors and maintainers of women..." (Holy Qur'an, 4:34)
"The man is responsible for his household and he will be asked about his guardianship." (Al-Bukhari and Muslim)
my conclusions r based on these.u may have ur own conclusions.but the general theme is with greater responsibility comes accountability.
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Yes Captain1, KARAKUSH is rite, men are responsible for making sure that their sister, wife, every female in their family (even their community) covers their body (hijab, burqa whatever). If they are not covered properly, on the day judgement, its the men who will be asked.
back to the topic, well theoratically we can change pakistani culture back to the way Islam wants us to live. But sorry to say, in reality thats impossible.
Look at american culture, long time ago, it was a very good culture to live, i mean very low divorce rate. and look at them now, is american culture becoming worst or better.
if you can answer the above question, then its very simple to answer that pakistani culture is heading the same direction. LETS NOT BLAME IT ON THE WEST. IT IS OUR FAULT TO LET THEIR MEDIA COME INSIDE OUR COUNTRY. SO ITS OUR FAULT, THAT THE CULTURE IS CHANGING.
few years from now, in pakistan you will be either raised a muslim, or a pakistani.
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sorry but still it doesn't prove that men will be questioned why their women were "not hijabed".
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"I advise you to treat women well, for they are like captives under your control." (Al-Bukhari and Muslim)
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Treating well is different than asking/forcing them to wear hijab, no?
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"As to those women on whose part you see ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (next) refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly, if it is useful); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance)..." (Holy Qur'an, 4:34)
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what is "ill-conduct"? is it towards husband or towards Allah, towards family of man (MIL etc)?
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"Men are the protectors and maintainers of women..." (Holy Qur'an, 4:34)
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again, difference between "protectors and maintainers" versus "checking their obedience to Allah swt/observing hijab".
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"The man is responsible for his household and he will be asked about his guardianship." (Al-Bukhari and Muslim)
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My understanding is that its about how well you kept them, for example your provide them for clothing, good food, shelter, justice, equality etc.
May be we should've discussed it in religion forum then doing it here.
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Yes, she should wear hijab. But if she doesnt, its her perogative. She will have to deal with her Creator one day.
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