Women: Hijab .....

Saallamm AGAIN! hehe

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It is forbidden for a Muslim woman not to put the Hijab in a non-Muslim country unless she is forced to take it off. What constitute “being forced to” usually means that putting the hijab would cause her to fear some harm being done on herself or her wealth or her property. However, if she simply gets embarrassed by putting it, it is not a legitimate excuse and is considered a disobedience to God. In all cases, even if she had to take it off at work or at school because she fears any retaliation (such as being fired), she should still wear it when she is outside this circumstances, such as when she is in public, or with friends, or in social gatherings.
Now you know, use it. Good Luck.

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How about things islam asks men to do at all times ??? nobody seems to talk about them and we are alwayz discussing how women should wear hijab.. just to name couple of them.. men are asked to keep their heads covered.. their ankles have to be showing at all times and not only at the prayers.. and like stuff.. what about that ???

Yankee...I agree with U.

Though its alright to discuss religious matters concerning any gender...but thats a fact,women issues are more in the scene then men....
As far as the jawan's post is concerned....Hijab is important and should be practiced by every Muslimah.


Be Original~!

Jawaan

Could you also tell us about the Hijab for men in terms of clothing & modesty.

Your repeated posts on this matter seems to imply that hijab only applies for women. Does it?

Do you observe the Islamic shariat requirement for men in clothing, speech & modesty?

Shaheen,

How about you? Why don't you explain for us what the Hijab for men is in attire, speech & manner - yes, of course, according to Bukhari's Sunnah? While you're at it, maybe, explain your conformity with it.

Yes!!!!

(Note to Shaheen - There was no need for the attack. Stick to the subject please.)

The basic is from navel to knee.
Modesty requires (according to the sunnah) neck down to ankle (little up from ankle).
covering head is also sunnah.
And the order of Rasool (SAW) requires avoid to see non-mahrim women!
Clear?????

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Perhaps someone would like to start another thread on Modest Islamic Dress for Men.....

plz. note the end paragrph about men. Why do Muslim women have to cover their heads?

It is the general consensus among the Muslims that a Muslim woman is
required to cover her head leaving only her face showing as part of an
overall dress code and behaviour which Islam prescribes. It is therefore
part of the social system of Islam, and a manifestation of important
general Islamic principles. Firstly, an educated Muslim woman does this
because she is following guidance from God and His prophet Muhammad
recorded in the Qur'an,and in the Sunnah (the knowledge about the
practice and example of the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be
upon him)). For example, one translation of the meaning of the specific
ayat (verse)of Qur'an that mentions the head covering is as follows:

Surah 24 Al-Nur (The Light); ayat 31 (part of)

And say to the believing women......that they should draw their
head-coverings over the neck opening (of their dresses) , and not
display their ornaments except to their husbands, their
fathers.....(etc)

This guidance she regards, as by definition a Muslim should do, as being
revealed by the 'All-Knowing' the 'Most Wise', The 'Most Merciful',
'All-Mighty' God who created all human beings and whose Power controls
everything. She is doing it because she believes that God with His
nature knows best what is in the true best interests of human beings,
far more than a human can know, with his or her fallibility, and
weaknesses.

The main principle reason for the hijab is modesty, which is not wishing
to receive unnecessary attention from people, such as admiration and
flattery, envy, or, most importantly, se8ual attraction from those other
than her husband.Great care is taken to keep sexual thoughts, feelings
and interactions to within the boundaries of the marital relationship.

These types of attention may boost the 'ego' for the short term, but all
have the potential to lead to disastrous consequences in the long term,
for example leading to confused feelings, competition, suspicions,
affairs, break-up of marriages and other relationships, disturbed
children, and ultimately a community where people are insecure,unhappy,
and divided amongst themselves.

From this it can be seen that the hijab is a manifestation of another
important principle in Islam, which is valuing benefits which are
permanent above those which are temporary. What is permanently
beneficial is, for example, a happy marriage between two people who aim
to learn, teach and apply Islam to the best of their ability in their
lives. This is seen as that which brings about the true happiness of the
soul for eternity, by purifying and keeping it in its pure, natural,
God-created state, filling it with peace and contentment, patience,
gratefulness, love and compassion. What is temporary are the momentary
pleasures derived from, for example, people's opinions of you, leading
to your own self-satisfaction, or, even more basically, those derived
from physical sensations.

A strong marriage, and a peaceful, cooperative, happy community, where
people's feelings towards one another are good, will not only provide
the true happiness that the soul needs, but also, in moderation, the
good opinion, physical, and other pleasures that the ego requires.

Therefore, the freedom and benefit of the soul is encouraged, requiring
a corresponding disciplining and moderating of the ego, but not a total
denial or repression of it.

Besides following modest dress codes appropriate to the different
natures of a man and woman, both Muslim men and women should abide by a
certain modest and respectful code of conduct when interacting with the
opposite sex.

Shaheen

Hijab/modesty in attire, speech & conduct for men as per you:
"The basic is from navel to knee.
Modesty requires (according to the sunnah) neck down to ankle (little up from ankle). covering head is also sunnah.
And the order of Rasool (SAW) requires avoid to see non-mahrim women!
Clear????? "

Obviously, judging by your response, the scrutiny of Hijab/modesty in attire, speech & conduct for men did not sit well with you, which is fine by me.

My other question was: Do you conform to Hijab/modesty in attire, speech & conduct for MEN?
By chosing not to answer, I 'll assume that you reject any idea that Hijab should apply for men. My friend, This double standard is not acceptable!

I suggest, if you're going to beat the drum on Hijab for Women then, you stick 100% with your side of the contract as well.

To Sanam,
Your post neglected the obligations of Hijab/modesty in attire speech & conduct for men for Men.
I suggest you read Shaheen's response and conform accordingly.

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Originally posted by faceup:
**Obviously, judging by your response, the scrutiny of Hijab/modesty in attire, speech & conduct for men did not sit well with you, which is fine by me.

My other question was: Do you conform to Hijab/modesty in attire, speech & conduct for MEN?
By chosing not to answer, I 'll assume that you reject any idea that Hijab should apply for men. My friend, This double standard is not acceptable!
**
[/quote]

Can Admin answer to this one plz, now???

(Note from Admin: Answer what? He's asked you a straight-forward question without abuse or name-calling.)

faceup, how do u generalize the things by not knowing who the person is you are talking to???
Can you teach me this art????

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Hmmmmmmm quite a confused crowd hehe anyways here is something about MEN…

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All Muslim scholars agree that a Muslim man must always cover the part of his body which is described as “awrah”. This term denotes “what is unbecoming, shameful or indecent to reveal.” A substantial body of Muslim scholars are of the view that a man’s awrah extends from the waistline down to the
knees, with the knees not included. However, other scholars are of the view that a man’s awrah is limited to his genitals and back passage. This is perhaps the more accurate view, supported by the stronger evidence. Any type of dress which covers the awrah proper and is not seen as something that could lead
to indecent behavior and is not an imitation of clothing that is distinctive of non-believers is permissible to wear.
Some rigid people claim at times that wearing a shirt and tie imitates non-believers. This is not true because such clothes are the normal dress for large communities in the Muslim world. Muslims must also guard against wearing anything that is considered a mark
of pride or arrogance. Whatever conveys an air of arrogance is forbidden to wear.

This is something about wearing pants and shirt tucked in is showing his rear end or it’s print!!!
The general ruling is that it is allowed to tuck the shirt under the pants as long as the pants are not so tight to clearly show the shape of the body with great details. But
even if the pants didn’t show a lot, it is still recommended but not required to put the shirt over the pants or to wear a long cloak (abaya) or robe over the body, especially while performing prayer.

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Now you know…good luck.

Jaawan


Till next timeKeep_It_Simple_Stupid©

Hijab, Modesty and Character should be within . By hiding ones face or body behind a veil has no value unless untill one does not believe and understand the true meaning of hijab, modesty and purity of character. Furhtermore, I think if your within is upto the task you don't need to show - it will show itself without any piece of cloth.

By the way has any one of you been to the ' Dimond Market' of Lahore?

Ppl who say this kinda stuff are usually looking for excuses or making their own rules and trying to prove that islam says the same.. when in reality thats not true.. hijab or rules that islam states a person should look from outside are just as important as its important to be modest and islamic from within… the way we live have an immense impact on the way we are from within and vice versa.. just my opinion.. nobody has to agree.. :slight_smile:

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faceup,
How about you? Why don't you explain for us what the Hijab for men is in attire, speech & manner - yes, of course, according to Rashad Khalifa's Sunnah? While you're at it, maybe, explain your conformity with it.

I heard he said you won't be held accountable for anything you do upto the age of forty. is that true?

That means you can have forty years of rock 'n roll and do whatever the hell you want. no conformity to nothing

why is it that in our society a women is forced to wear a hijab and isnt allowed to talk to any na mahrim.... on the other hand man is allowed to whatever he wants to. even when he is talking to na mahrim ladies its thought to be bradomindedness why is that so. and who ever girl covers her head or face just to please Allah is thought to be paindoo and lacking beauty. Why is hijab only llimited for girls.. this is just due to ignorance. we dont follow Quran properly and as this is a male dominated society men are allowed to make new rules. This is called "bidat" and is a sin.

Poppy...my friend men and women have different body-attributes. Try to understand that. If a man walks around with his chest showing thats OK, but if a women walks around with her chest showing thats a BIG problem and sin. Please read my previous post, and try to understand it...and yes creating new things in islam is bidatt, and NOT following the true quran is bad.

Jaawan


Till next time**Keep_It_Simple_Stupid**

No… you dont get my point. I dont mind ladies covering their head or face but what I wanna say is that… when a lady is not in hijab (according to her limitations) people make a fuss out of it. it can be in case of her mannerisms etc. too. but when a man is not in hijab according to his awrah.. either manner wise or attire wise he’s not even thought to be wrong infact its called broadmindedness… is it really broadmindedness :rollseyes:

My dear friends,

Special appreciation to Yankee, Kab19, Poppy who have seen the games men play with religion to supress women.

The laws of Hijab in the Sharia'h is there for both man & women to observe; if the males are in NON-compliance of the rules of Hijab in attire, speech & mannerism then, under what moral grounds do they preach Hijab for women?

There is an aya in the Quran which speaks of modesty in terms of attire, speech, mannerism for both man & women. Nowhere, does this aya says:a full-enveloping burkha or veil for woman.

This practise of a full burkha(veil) has come from the sunnah of the prophet that was written down by Bukhari & Co against the expressed opinions of the Prophet(saw).

There is widespread practise in Islam that comes from the sunnah rather than the Quran.
Sunnah according to Bukhari & co with clear proof of major Fabrications & lies.

May I suggest the thread:THE STATUS OF SUNNAH IN ISLAM! for more information.

(Note from Admin: Salafi, if you wish to continue participating in this and other threads, then please learn to stick to the subject matter at hand rather then attacking members on a personal level.)

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I have found those who question to be more sensible then those who follow without a clue as to why they are following