Wives warning / threatening their husbands not to keep a beard

[chanda_kh]

Re: Wives warning / threatening their husbands not to keep a beard

brother STP, I know Allah has commanded us to follow our Prophet (pbuh).
but you are saying that the law of keeping a beard is part of Islam, based on texts written by who??
Allah has commanded us to follow the Prophet(pbuh) as he speaks from the Quran...the ayaat mention nothing of beards..it may be your interpretation.....

What I understand from the quoted text of the Quran that you have provided..that Allah had ordered the Ummah to listen to the Prophet(pbuh) as he preached from the Quran..the word of Allah..Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) only preached Allah's Kalam....and nothing else...

Muhammed is represented only by the Quran. The Prophet Muhammed was the last Prophet and a messenger of God (33:40). He was not the messenger of God because of who he (Muhammed) was, but because he was given the Quran (the message) to deliver to the world. The religion of Islam is a religion of God, not about Muhammed, who was blessed by God with the delivery of the message of the Quran. **He did not have an agenda of his own. His job was to deliver to the world what God was giving him, the Quran. See 42:48, 13:40, 5:99-10

secondly

you dont need additional laws and orders other than those mentioned in the Quran. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)'s one and only agenda was to spread the word of Allah.

[Mirch]

that's simple way of putting things,,, the beard as I heard the scholars say, is a means to getting closer to the way of the Messenger (pbuh). it's the sunnah which we adopt out of love for the Messenger (pbuh), and the beard is a big part of it for the men. that's the big difference between the Musilm men and non-Muslim men.

So all the non muslims who have beard should be considered Muslims and all the Muslim men who do not have beard should be considered non Muslims.
What kind of logic is it ?

I do not have beard and I have great love and respect for Holy Prophet(SAW) for not forcing his ideology on anybody , he never ever told Muslims that if you do not follow my sunnah you will get out of the fold of Islam.
He never ever declared beard to be a license or pre qualification to be a Muslim. Jews have long flowing beard , should we declare them Muslim and declare that they are following Sunnah ?
He liked to have a beard that was his personal choice it was not commanded by Allah.
There are many things of everyday sunnah which we do not follow , for example dates and olives were big part of his diet but we do not consume them so does it means we are leaving an important Sunnah behind and we will be answerable for it to Allah ?
He used to pray tahajjud we do not do so are we committing sin by not doing so ?
He used to ride camel or horse for his travel , we should go back to doing so ? Why not ? Will it not be great show of love and respect if we follow that sunnah in this day and age ?
Allah had given us permission to marry up to 4 women , our holy Prophet (SAW) had more than 4 wives by special permission from Allah, now are we not leaving his Sunnah behind us by being monogamous, where is our love for our holy Prophet (SAW) ?
He used to wear completely different kind of clothings than we do in this day and age , are we not disrespecting him by not following his Sunnah of choice of dress ?
If the answer to all these questions is no then how just keeping the beard can make up for leaving so many sunnahs behind. We are dis obeying Allah's command who says obey Allah and obey Rasool , why are we picking and choosing according to our convenience ? **
He never worked as an employee of any company or person , we all spend better part of our lives working for someone , **are we not leaving this important Sunnah behind ?
Wake up people and leave this meaningless discussion behind and better your lives and touch the lives of others by being a good Muslims and by not flaunting your beard in other people's faces.

[chanda_kh]

Re: Wives warning / threatening their husbands not to keep a beard

Well as far as the liBas is in accordance with ShaRia Requirement , no one has a problem here ..

Before we take it further and discuss whether Sari complys with the requirements or not

Why don’t you tell us what are your views on ShaRia requirements for women clothing , what should / shouldn’t be included ?

according to the Quran (24:31)

"And tell the believing women to subdue their eyes, and maintain their chastity. They shall not reveal any parts of their bodies, except that which is necessary. They shall cover their chests, (with their Khimar) and shall not relax this code in the presence of other than their husbands, their fathers, the fathers of their husbands, their sons, the sons of their husbands, their brothers, the sons of their brothers, the sons of their sisters, other women, the male servants or employees whose sexual drive has been nullified, or the children who have not reached puberty. They shall not strike their feet when they walk in order to shake and reveal certain details of their bodies. All of you shall repent to GOD, O you believers, that you may succeed."

as you can see covering the hair is not mentioned..
The Arabic word for CHEST, GAYB is in the verse (24:31), but the Arabic words for HEAD, (RAAS) or HAIR, (SHAAR) are NOT in the verse. The commandment in the verse is clear - COVER YOUR CHEST OR BOSOMS.

[Submission_To_Peace]

Re: Wives warning / threatening their husbands not to keep a beard

In order to be able to understand and follow any particular sunnah of the prophet (saw), one has to develop sincere thirst for truth and strive for it humbly and selflessly. After we are able to achieve that level Allah (s.w.t) would open our hearts to "Hidaya" (guidence). Otherwise (Allah forbid) a person wouldn't understand the simplest of logic and would be able to convince himself in disagreeing to the most authentic sources because it doesn't suits his present lifestyle, fashion or job requirements and might cause embarrassment in front of his colleagues.

If a person is determined to find an excuse of not following anything he would be able to find out something to satisfy / console his heart that whatever he is presently practicing is right.

I have seen people who were able to convince themselves even with a simple reasoning that it is the decision of nature that beard grows on the face of a man and not on the face of a woman. And there are people who even after listening to all the authentic sources weren't ready to accept what was told to them.

Therefore, the best way is to pray to Allah (s.w.t) to open our heart towards the TRUTH and help us in following the right path which makes Allah (s.w.t) happy with us. After that we should do our own search through different sources without any predetermined set up of mind. BECAUSE once a person is able to reach a satisfactory truth after sincere and selfless hard word he value it and is ready to face any hindrance that comes in the way of his praciticng of that act.

Allah (s.w.t) knows best! May Allah (s.w.t) guide us all towards the right path. Ameen

[Submission_To_Peace]

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For Example:

One of my Turk friends who don't have much knowledge of Islam but is a very sincere and humble person. He is very honest to his inner voice even if that means going away from his worldly benefits (Masha'Allah). I felt this because at times when I used to mention a hadith in front of him, tears used to roll down his eyes as he was lost in his deep thoughts. It seemed to me that his heart has the ability to immediately recognize the truth, because a lot of times those hadiths were criticizing his current lifestyle but he didn't reject them.

He once kept a beard only to see how does it look on his face without having any knowledge of Islamic perspective about it.

After keeping beard he once came to me and asked me, " Is there any specific mentioning of beard in Islam ?"

I asked, " Why do you ask ?"

He said, *" I don't know, every time I perform ablution, when my beard gets wet by water and while offering namaz water is dripping from it, I feel an amazing sense of spiritual satisfaction and pleasure in my heart which I can't explain".
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I told him to search for the authentic sources and make up his mind after reading and listening to everyone, but keep praying to Allah (s.w.t) for guidance.

[cricketplaya]

So all the non muslims who have beard should be considered Muslims and all the Muslim men who do not have beard should be considered non Muslims. What kind of logic is it ?

You just put words in my mouth. I did not say that and sorry if I was not clear. I am saying that the beard is a one thing that we can use to get closer to the way of our Rasool (pbuh).

chanda_kh, look at it this way, we dress up for that job interview do we not? so if we can dress up as our Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) did then what's the big deal.

now you guys are just bringing arguments with no weight "bearded maulvis who molest children", you find clean savhen priests who molest children too....

at the end of the day there is no ONE solid argument that says beard is unimportant.

on the other hand yes one does not need a beard to be a true believer.

[chanda_kh]

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cricketplaya, i am not talking about people who keep a beard just to be like our Prophet(pbuh). I am finding this hard to digest that people consider it part of the religion as opposed to a personal choice....and label it as Islamic, or a signature of a pious Muslim.

[Pareezay]

Re: Wives warning / threatening their husbands not to keep a beard

Okay so let's say that one does not need a beard to be a true believer but WHAT exactly is the issue IF a man wants to grow out his beard? Jeez! So he won't look good like he usually does but what's more important??? Following the Prophet PBUH or admiring yourself in the mirror? All the Sahabas, Prophets, Prophet Muhammad PBUH had a beard.. wanna tell me what's SO wrong if a man decides to look like one of those pious people?? AND not for the reason that oh im gona go to heaven if I do this or I am FORCED to look like this but rather, I want to follow the Sunnah of our beloved Prophet pbuh. I don't think the wives should interfere as it is something pertaining to a man's FAITH and noone has a right to act childish i.e, taking pills or w/e just because the husband wants to follow islam in a proper manner.

[chanda_kh]

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shay :)
1)we are not talking about looking good..or keeping a beard to repel unwanted attention..i dont think that is an issue...there are girls who like facial hair..and then there are girls who absolutely dont.
2)Its is not just the pious who keep a beard, so following examples in terms of looks is again a personal choice not obligatory..
3)Faith and beard are 2 different stories.

[Submission_To_Peace]

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A Christian friend once asked me regarding religious people keeping a beard.

I asked him, "When people admire a person to the highest level, whether it is a celebrity or a singer / actor etc. what do they do ?

"They try to copy his hairstyle, appearance and whatever he does, because it make them feel better." He replied.

"Do you admire all the prophets that came before Jesus, and Jesus himself ?"

He said "Of course, I do"

"What was common in the appearance of all of them ?" I asked

"Beard!" He replied.

[chanda_kh]

Re: Wives warning / threatening their husbands not to keep a beard

they also had another thing in common :)
they were all middle-eastern..or from judea....where the tradition for keeping a beard is still prevalent.

[chanda_kh]

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[chanda_kh]

cricketplaya;6077217]
at the end of the day there is no ONE solid argument that says beard is unimportant.
I beg to differ

on the other hand yes one does not need a beard to be a true believer.
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absolutely

[Pareezay]

Re: Wives warning / threatening their husbands not to keep a beard

From what I have read (texts, hadith) and heard, I strongly believe that beard is wajib. I could be wrong but Allah swt knows best. However, it doesn't mean that I look down on anyone who's beardless or judge their character by it. Now answering the thread's question, I think that if a man chooses to keep a beard, his wife needs to stay quiet if she cannot support him with the idea or be proud of the fact that he's doing it for religion.
Just my conclusion, peace.

[chanda_kh]

From what I have read (texts, hadith) and heard, I strongly believe that beard is wajib. I could be wrong but Allah swt knows best. However, it doesn't mean that I look down on anyone who's beardless or judge their character by it. Now answering the thread's question, I think that if a man chooses to keep a beard, his wife needs to stay quiet if she cannot support him with the idea or be proud of the fact that he's doing it for religion. Just my conclusion, peace.

YES!

[Pareezay]

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^:kiss:

[muslima21]

yes but it has no mention of whether or not Allah has made this a rule or law..or a sin..or haram..etc... also muslima21, so you think the noor is because of the beard...not their good deeds??

Of course its because of their good deeds and keeping beard is for sure one of them!:)

[chanda_kh]

Re: Wives warning / threatening their husbands not to keep a beard

shay
now wheres my phone call!

[Pareezay]

Re: Wives warning / threatening their husbands not to keep a beard

soon babez, we have to stop delaying it!

[Submission_To_Peace]

they also had another thing in common :) they were all middle-eastern..or from judea....where the tradition for keeping a beard is still prevalent.

I doubt it. 124000 prophets were sent to all parts of the world. They were not all from middle-eastern..or from judea. Bur their teachings were misinterpreted by the coming generations and thus gave rise to different religions, thus leading to their own worship standards instead of Allah (s.w.t) just like what happened in Christianity. If Allah (swt) only send prophets from middle-eastern..or from judea then people of other regions might not accept them. Even in Quran Allah mentioned that I sent prophets to people from "among themselves"

From what I have read (texts, hadith) and heard, I strongly believe that beard is wajib. I could be wrong but Allah swt knows best. However, it doesn't mean that I look down on anyone who's beardless or judge their character by it. Now answering the thread's question, I think that if a man chooses to keep a beard, his wife needs to stay quiet if she cannot support him with the idea or be proud of the fact that he's doing it for religion. Just my conclusion, peace.

Well said. I totally agree that a person should not look down upon anyone after keeping beard, because the true judge is only Allah and every person would be held answerable for his own deeds. When a man is not forcing his wife to wear Hijaab, (but only politely and with wisdom) trying to explain the benefits of wearing it (for the love of Allah) the wives also need to relax and consider the reward which they would inshaAllah get for not forcing their husband against what they feel comfortable with.