Some of you forget, that despite all its weapons & power, the Pakistan Army can only fight a full fledge war for about 10 days - Thats all.!!
After that, it will halt. The Economy will have no money to sustain the Army.
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please provide the digits that support your assumption.
Re: Without economic power, Pakistani Army is Zero.
Some of you forget, that despite all its weapons & power, the Pakistan Army can only fight a full fledge war for about 10 days - Thats all.!!
After that, it will halt. The Economy will have no money to sustain the Army.
10 days?
buddy military doctrine calls fror 45 days of full level combat and a further 90 days of low intensity combat
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India just has to bomb Karachi + Gwadar harbour and threaten to sink any oil tankers that attempt to enter pakistan sea borders.
Pakistan will run out of oil in 3 days.
I believe that India did do that in 1965 or so.
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http://www.vuw.ac.nz/asianstudies/publications/working/Kashmir.html
It will cost Pakistan Approx US$ 350 m per day. Every 3 days cost US$ 1 Billion.
India’s economy is 9 -10 times bigger than Pakistan’s.
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In past wars, neighbouring and friendly countries to Pakistan provided aid to enable Pakistan to fight on beyond what its economy could support.
Plus in a nuclear war, 10 days is more than enough time 
The main purpose of the existence and size of the Pakistan army is as a deterrent to India. Pakistan does not maintain an army large enough to defeat and occupy India for a reason - its army is simply designed to be large enough to make an Indian invasion so expensive for India in terms of manpower and cost that it would not be worth carrying out.
The army is designed to be capable of wiinning only a limited conflict but large enough to discourage a full scale all out war.
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Yes in theory every country has to do "just this and that" to sever the lifeline.
Actual wars arent easy even for superpowers.
btw about the '65 Naval activities; does Dwarka ring a bell?
Re: Without economic power, Pakistani Army is Zero.
Some of you forget, that despite all its weapons & power, the Pakistan Army can only fight a full fledge war for about 10 days - Thats all.!!
After that, it will halt. The Economy will have no money to sustain the Army.
Every army has a limit.
Even the world's strongest militaries do. if not in men and equipment, then in spirit and devotion. Look at the British and American in Iraq and Afghanistan.
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btw about the '65 Naval activities; does Dwarka ring a bell?
It was a failure. None of the objectives were achieved. A better analogy would be Operation Trident or Python. Remember those?
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Thats why long range missiles were created. It is very easy for India to destroy Pakistan’s harbour.
Also, Indian navy and submarines totally outclass pakistan’s. It is very easy for Indian submarines to enforce an oil blockade.
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http://www.defencejournal.com/2006-5/index.asp
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Not really.
Missiles would only make harbours less productive. You can destroy the building at a harbour, but ships can continue to enter and be unloaded manually.
There are only 2 ways to neutralise a harbour:
Both options require you to get close enough to the harbour. And that’s where you get exposed to air power.
Surface ships are vulnerable to air-launched air-to-ship missiles, such as the Exocets that No. 8 Squadron (a double-sized reinforced Squadron of Mirage III/Vs) carries to break and deter any Indian attempt at blockades.
That AGM-84 Harpoons carried by Pakistan’s P-3 Orions are also there to break blockade attempts.
Submarines may seem the solution, but they are less effective than surface ships because they can detect over a smaller distance. And Pakistan’s P-3 and Atlantique aircraft can detect submerged submarines from the air during borad sweeps.
At the same time, Pakistan’s state-of-the-art Agosta-90B hunter-killer submarines form an additional safety net against blockade.
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We have a secret weapon. The elite Pakistan army Military Coup battalion. It can take over New Delhi in 1 hr and install Musharraf as supreme dictator of all of India the next day.
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Maddy & others, keep forgetting that India
1. Has never attached Pakistan - Pakistan Has initiated al the Wars (1947, 1965, 1971 and Kargil).
2. If India wanted it could have continued and attacked West Pakistan in 1972.
3. In 1974 it exploded the 'peaceful' atom bomb!! It could have crushed Pakistan for the next 10 years(before Pak had a bomb) - why did it not.
CAN NONE OF YOU UNDERSTAND THAT INDIA WANTS TO LIVE IN PEACE WITH PAKISTAN - IT IS PAKISTAN MILITARY WHO HAVE CREATED INDIA AS A MONSTER, TO PERPETUATE THEIR RULE OF PAKISTAN.
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malhot bhai shaant ho jaaiay. Thanda paani peejiay. No need to yell please. This is Pakistani board not Indian. We dont like to yell down each others throats here.
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No one realises that the days of traditional warfare are more or less over- Wars are so different compared to what they used to be pre-world war II. Pakistani army is better trained and 500,000 is more like 1500,000 of Indian soldiers. Plus it has to only sustain the battle the battle for like a week or so, stay put until its friends- China from North of Bharat and US from the Arabian sea will attack Bharat. USA and china will not spare any country which touches Pakistan cuz Pakistan is so important to both of them.
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I said that Pakistan’s army is to deter invasion, but also to win a limited conflict. Pakistan’s army is supposed to ensure that war between pakistan and India, irrespective of who starts it, stays limited to a small region rather than spreading.
Kargil is a good example. Pakistani and Indian troops clashed along the LOC in Kashmir, but the deployment of Pakistani forces along the Indo-Pak border deterred India from spreading the conflict.
In 1965, India was the first country to send its troops across an international border. Not one Pakistani soldier or plane entered Indian territory until after the start of the 1965 war. The use of military forces was limited by pakistan solely to disputed territory. India initiated cross-border hostilities.
An how did Pakistan start the 1971 war? Tell me where Pakistan struck inside India in 1971 to provoke an invasion?
India attacked Pakistan in 1971.
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http://www.kashmirlive.com/wars.html
There are several sites, showing that Pakistan started the war on 3 Dec 1971, by bombing the mukti bhani training camps and also the airports in India (pre-emptive strike).
How would you feel if India bombed the training camps in Pakistan??!
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yep, according to Indian history books they were sitting in Bejing in 1962.. 
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I wonder who keeps crossing teh international border…
Re: Without economic power, Pakistani Army is Zero.
Theoretically, Pakistan can blockade Indian oil during war and it is not other way round. Most of the oil goes to India through gulf and Pakistan can blockade that even using their land bases. As for India blocking Pakistan oil, it is impossible even if Indian navy was as strong as American navy, because Pakistan can still get oil from Iran using land transports.
Actually, position of Pakistan is such that if they decide, they can block world oil passing through Persian-gulf especially with their present missiles technology. This is the reason that some countries do not like Pakistan giving oil corridor to China as one way to contain china in event of war was stopping their oil supply (that they cannot stop if Pakistan becomes corridor for China to get oil).
Regardless, future war in subcontinent if ever happens; could turn into nuclear war where all other conventional material advantage would be useless. It may not even last 10 days.
In this respect, Pakistan missiles and nuclear capabilities are much superior then Indians. As for assessment of nuclear capability, Pakistan uses enriched uranium and that has no production limits (as it comes from laboratory) whereas India uses spent plutonium that comes from use of nuclear reactors and thus supply is limited. Pakistan can also use spent plutonium, though with unlimited supply of enriched uranium, it is not that important.
Here is a report of Pakistan and Indian Nuclear capability:
h t t p : // w w w. msnbc.com/news/417106.asp?cp1=1#BODY
A scenario if there would be war between Pakistan and India [from British newspaper (telegraph) analysis]:
h t t p : // w w w. telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2002/06/07/wkash207.xml
It seems that President Musharaf is not worried about Indian military strength. Below is report when India was on the verge of attacking Pakistan in 2002. If our general is not worried, there must be reason.
From his interview at that time, it seems that President Musharaf was well prepared of Indian attack and was waiting, confident that if such would happen (India attacks), Pakistan will fight the war on Indian soil and that Kashmir will be free. What I remember, in interview he said that, ‘we will sandwich Indian forces in Kashmir as they would find us on both side of their ranks, front and behind’.
h t t p : // news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/2015836.stm
Another thing to remember (as mentioned in above report) is that, even though Indian standing army is twice as big as Pakistan standing army, Pakistan has large paramilitary forces. I would not be surprised if Pakistan complete mobilization of forces would be larger then India.
That is the reason that Pakistan have much larger number of officers in the army then what half a million army would need. Pakistan also has large number of retired officers that Pakistan can requisite if needed. The reason being that to train officers take much longer time and thus having already trained officers can help in time of need. Thus, if needed, these trained officers can take charge of armed men to create a bigger fighting force (fortunately, those armed men that can fight, we have plenty in the country, probably more then any country in the world).
Regardless, it is worldwide acceptance that Pakistan armed forces are more committed, much better trained, more proud and more professional then Indian armed forces. [In Pakistan, army profession is much more respected then India and thus gives the armed forces more commitment and pride].
On the other hand when war happens, army that is morally right (or believe that they are right) mostly succeed even under bad odds. In Kashmir issues, Pakistan certainly has a much more moral ground and thus it is certain that Pakistan army would have upper hand morally, especially when Pakistan can put Kashmiri soldiers in front to fight in Kashmir (that after mobilization could be over several hundred thousand) who will then be fighting for their own independence. If India attacks across Pakistan international border (to reduce pressure in Kashmir) then Pakistan defending army will find better reason to fight with full commitment, having morality behind them while aggressors always lose out morally in such situations.
Regardless, there are many areas even in conventional weapons where Pakistan has advantage over India.
In Air force: F-16s obviously would be the best aircraft in this region conflict and even if India gets some F-16s, Pakistan has plenty of experience using F-16s effectively (experience against Russians). Pakistani made F-17 (thunder) is probably as good as F-16 if not better (it can fly at higher altitude then F-16s and have look-down shoot-down capability, has good maneuverability and flies at speed similar to F-16s). Quality of Pakistan Air force pilot, due to better training, is also much better.
Pakistan has developed Anza (MK-I, MK-II and now MK-III) SAM hand held missiles that is considered as very deadly and probably as effective as American ‘stinger’ missiles [Both are hand held infrared-guided missiles]. Pakistan is amongst few selected countries that have developed infrared-guided SAM missiles.
According to some analysts, Pakistan Anza missiles can easily give Pakistan superiority over region’s air space, as it would help Pakistan defense taking control over Pakistan air space, while Pakistan aircrafts would be attacking Indian air space.
Army: Pakistan has Khalid tank that is amphibian tank and is probably best suited all condition Tank for the region. AL-Zarar is also a good tank. Pakistan is also independent of importing ammunition and small arms.
Navy: Pakistan has plenty of Submarines (that Pakistan builds) and Pakistani navy has much longer experience of using them then Indians. In 1965 war, Pakistan was controlling the sea around India.
Apart of all that, there is always China, Turkey, Iran and some Arab counties behind Pakistan, that can supply equipments if needed (while Pakistan have enough men to use them effectively).
Thus, Pakistan has nothing to worry about Indian military strength. Only thing we have to worry about is our economical condition (for that, we need to save Pakistan from those politicians that are looters and plunderers). Further, Pakistan need strong nerve person running the country, else in time of holding nerve against world pressure, people like NS would surrender (like NS surrendered on table under pressure, what Pakistan gained on ground in Kargil).